Match Me: VA resident, 3.8 UW GPA, 35 ACT, comp sci or math major, Asian female

Asian female in competitive large public northern virginia high school
Wants to major in math and computer science
color guard, math honor society, science olympiad
unweighted GPA probably around 3.8, W 4.17, will likely end up at W 4.3
no class rank, but can safely assume top 20%
as junior: AP comp sci, AP BC calc, AP lang, HN physics HN US history, HN French, digital art
as senior planning to take AP comp sci data structures, AP physics, AP micro, AP multivariable/linear algebra, HN english, AP capstone in comp sci.
Took a machine learning/python Tufts online course over summer, astronomy course (decided did not like that track)
Full pay family

Preference is medium/large school, direct admit into comp sci, urban/suburban environment (NYU/GW no, Tufts/Madison yes)

Current list looks like this: university of pittsburg, north carolina state, university of wisconsin-madison, university of rochester, virginia tech, william and mary, tufts, SUNY stony brook.

VA tech and William and Mary are probably reaches for her, and she’d have to apply early to get in. I’d love some suggestions for matches and safeties for her. She is open geographically to go anywhere as long as it’s urban/suburban and not a tiny school.

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Will anyone validate this? Otherwise, it’s not correct. There is no class rank.

What is the weighting scale?

Tufts / Madison - wow, those are two vastly different schools. Will you apply ED anywhere?

Pitt - yes

NC State - certainly possible

Wisconsin - certainly possible

Rochester - yes

Va Tech - a little more remote but yes suburban. Certainly possible in state…I wouldn’t say it’s a reach.

W&M - likely

Stony - Safety

I don’t think you need more. Pitt is the most urban of these. It’s not NYU/GW/BU urban…but urban.

But if you want more - you might try mid size like a Maine or U Del (a bit larger)

If you want to take advantage of financial largesse (ie they’ll make it more than worth your while financially) - Alabama works. It’s large but so is UW. U of Arizona would also work. btw - if it’s math, the other UW (Washington) would work. Comp Sci…unlikely.

How about an American, Butler, Case Western, U Denver, Lafayette, Lehigh, Syracuse, WPI and some flyers - Duke, Emory, Vandy, Rice.

Honestly though - the list was fine as is.

Good luck.

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I think that is a really good start on a list. I note Pitt, which seems like a great fit, is rolling admissions, so when the time comes you can submit that really early, and hopefully get a very early decision from them. If admitted, that can really take the pressure off the rest of the process.

Some other ideas–have you considered Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute? Troy is a decent-sized city, and then also part of the bigger Albany metro area. Very good for CS, not a terribly hard admit.

Rochester Institute of Technology is in the Rochester area, again quite strong in CS.

Finally, Delaware is yet another strong CS school, really attractive campus in Newark, a nice college town that is not far from Wilmington and in fact Philadelphia (there is an under 40 minute train, in fact).

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For VT, check how having majors in both CS and math works, since CS is in the engineering division and math is not.

Also note that the VT engineering division has a 3.0 college GPA needed to assure choice of major in secondary admission.

Stevens Institute of Technology (target)
Rose Hulman (target)
Harvey Mudd (high target)
UDel (safety), which others have mentioned

Why are UVa and UMD not on the list? Just curious, since both are common choices for NoVa students.

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Another urban (but not GW-urban) school your D may want to consider is U. of Minnesota - Twin Cities. Also, for people who aren’t as familiar with Columbus, they may think of it as a small town, it’s a city with more than 900k residents and a metro with more than 2 million folks (the largest metro in Ohio). Thus, Ohio State is also a school she may want to look into.

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Thank you for the new suggestions! We’ve been told at our school that UVA and VTech are impossible to get into. The kids who get in are doing early decision. Basically the type of kid that gets in is also getting into an ivy. It is a little crazy. We have also considered Case Western. It was simpler when DD wanted to do math only… but considering comp sci, we understand that it is very hard to transfer into a comp sci major at the large schools. So if she is even thinking about a comp sci major, she has to apply now directly into the comp sci program. Schools like madison that were more safety for math become possible for comp sci. I am finding safety comp sci programs to be a bit more difficult to find.

UVA not on the list because she won’t get admitted from her high school. UMD is just way too close to home. Rose Hulman and harvey mudd are too small. less than 3000 feels too small because that is how big her high school is.

She would have to apply to VT engineering to get into the CS major, and then add math later. This then makes VT super hard for her to get into.

What about CU Boulder? Too far?

WPI - likely, RPI - likely, RIT - safety/likely. If you are going to look at U of R you can see RIT at the same time.

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Yes, will be looking at RIT as well. Can someone tell me the differences between RPI, WPI, RIT? in terms of competitiveness, vibes? i see some of the gender imbalances at these schools. Her friends are not usually the math/engineer types. She doesn’t play video games… Or am I seeing too much into stereotypes for RPI, WPI, and RIT?

I know kids that attend (or have attended) all 3 schools. The kids I know at WPI and RIT really love it. WPI is on a quarter system which allows engineering/CS students to spend a quarter abroad if they want - something that can be tough for engineering/CS students at schools with the more typical 2 semester system. RIT has a well regarded co-op program which makes it interesting to a lot of students - my friends with tech-y kids say they have really cool labs and machinery. The one kid I know at RPI likes it so far - he is a freshman. According to him it is pretty nerdy but he has found his people so he is enjoying it. He is studying aerospace engineering, I believe. In terms of competitiveness, RIT would be the easiest admit with WPI and RPI similarly selective. I think your daughter would most likely be in at any of the 3.

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Take a good look at Syracuse. I think she’d get in for both majors there and would be able to double major. She’d have some decent flexibility there and while it’s not a tough admit, their CS program is getting pretty popular so she’d have lots of classmates. At Syracuse, STEM majors don’t dominate, so it’s more of a typical university vibe: lots of school spirit, active social scene, good size, even gender split. My nerd kid goes there and says everyone is “too normal” :laughing:. It’s a great campus, fairly close to downtown.

I also think she’d get in at RIT. RIT is a similar size, but the STEM majors dominate and it’s got a more quirky nerd vibe, and there are more men than women. It’s in the suburbs, not very close to downtown. For the record, my kid loved the vibe there.

My older son is a sophomore at WPI now and loves it. He was also accepted at RPI and didn’t apply to RIT. He didn’t want to go to RPI, just really didn’t like the campus/Troy when he visited, nothing specific was wrong, it just wasn’t right for him. He didn’t apply to RIT largely because he thought Rochester would get too much snow and he didn’t feel like it would be a better choice than the other schools he did apply to. We also, as it happens, are from N.Va., and I hear you on the challenge to get into UVA and VT from these schools.

Things my guy loved about WPI - the vibe. It feels like a campus, even though it’s on the outer edge of the city - it’s sort of similar to how American is situated off the main part of DC, but the campus itself feels really contained, with a nice quad, nice buildings etc. The town of Worcester is surprisingly large, and there are several other colleges in the city (Holy Cross, Clark, and more) but he doesn’t go into town often. There are nice restaurants, a decent size arena, and sporting events in Worcester if that’s your thing, and it’s a short an inexpensive commuter train ride to get into Boston (he’s done that more than he’s hung out in Worcester).

The kids were all very friendly and outgoing. He loved that the school also has an emphasis on music - he’s not a music person, but there’s a surprisingly robust group of bands. He loved the idea of the Jr. Year project - the school year is four seven week terms, not two semesters. In each term you take three classes, instead of a regular five in a semester. Jr. year one full term is spent doing the IQP project. Most of the IQP projects are abroad - he’s placed into one for next year in Greece (the other places on his preference list were Venice, Copenhagen, Rabat, and Prague - there are also locations all over Asia, some in Africa, S. America and Australia/NZ). The opportunity to spend a term doing a project - it’s not classes, it’s a real project that each location develops with local organizational input - was one that doesn’t come up often for engineers given all the classes they have to take, but WPI really makes it work. (He’s a double major - MechE, CivE with a Writing minor).

Social life has been good - there are definitely more men then women. When he applied it was a little more balanced, I think it was 55% men, 45% women then, but the last two classes have skewed more towards the men. There are fraternities and sororities, but they don’t seem to be like what I think of as normal greek life, it’s social, yes, but they really also do a lot to support academics and job searching. He’s not a gamer and while some of his friends are, most are not. What originally caught his eye about WPI is that he rows crew, and he was able to row on their team. He’s got a decent number of friends who are athletes. There are a lot of clubs, he’s not into robotics, but robotics is huge at WPI. He was briefly on the high powered rocketry club, which seems pretty popular and also really fun.

WPI gives good merit aid money, and gossip is that women get better money then men. I don’t know if that’s true, but it would make sense to try and build the female membership of their classes.

As a parent, one of the things I liked when visiting, and still find true, a year and a half in, is that the kids all seemed happy and like they wanted to be there. They were enjoying their experience and making good friends. It’s not a super competitive campus, and the students seem eager to share their knowledge and help their colleagues. Of course things are not always great (no one really likes the food, it’s not awful, but it gets some thumbs down) but in general, it seems like a good little environment for more sociable tech-y kids to learn and have fun.

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VTech is not hard to get into in-state but it depends on the major. CS is one of the harder ones but I would think she has a great chance if she is in state. Also VTech is now EA not ED.

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@KDEGKDEG - I’ve posted it elsewhere, but want to repeat our VT story here for anyone reading. It can be surprisingly challenging for even in-state residents depending on, as you noted, major. My older son (current college sophomore) was one of those sort of surprising denials at VT, well, technically, waitlisted. Over 4.0 GPA (he only ever got A’s, took multiple APs in a fully rigorous HS course load), 1560 SAT, Eagle Scout, Co-Captain Varsity Crew Team, solid essays etc. He was applying to the engineering school, which I imagine was part of the problem, but for an in-state student, those credentials should’ve been enough. He got into every school he applied to except VT - WPI, RPI, Case Western, Lehigh, Pitt/Engineering. And good merit aid money from all but one of them, yet waitlisted at our in-state engineering school. He had plenty of STEM experience (three years of HS engineering classes including a capstone project, all honors and AP science classes, all honors and AP math classes) and was also well rounded (5 years Latin - including AP, full complement of English including two years of AP offerings, full complement of “social studies” incl three APs in history/gov’t/human geography) and fives on every AP exam but one. We did demonstrated interest - he toured as soon as the pandemic hold on tours was lifted, he did multiple online info sessions, including more than one for his Department and major. And he still got waitlisted. Kids from his school with lower stats got in. I’m going to assume that it was the selectivity of engineering, and the fact that the engineering department is the easiest way for VT to lure in out of state higher paying students. Still, it was a shocker for our family. He loves WPI and is really happy there, but even with the merit aid that WPI gave it’s a little more than $25k a year above what we would have paid for VT.

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I definitely see that vis-a-vis RHIT, but I’d take a closer took at Mudd if that’s the only reason she’s not interested. From a social standpoint, Mudd is very closely integrated with the other four Claremont colleges, so “Mudders” participate in EC’s with students from all over the consortium, and take electives on the other campuses. The cohort in the academic core classes at Mudd will be more intimate, but the social environment is much more expansive than at a small non-consortium school. The larger questions, IMHO, are whether she’s interested in going that far away, and whether she would enjoy the heavy lab-science requirements at Mudd, that many schools don’t require of math/CS majors. Mudd is fantastic in terms of gender parity in CS, if that matters to her.

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Lots of Maryland kids love GMU and JMU, and each has unique CS opportunities, internships, cyber, etc.

Guess the grass is greener on the other side…:grinning:
https://cs.gmu.edu/

Department of Computer Science - JMU “Record breaking turnout at career fair”….

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Yes, Pitt is very efficient in their rolling admission process. My son receive his acceptance from them about 4 or 5 weeks after he submitted his application. If you are looking for an urban school with a safe campus in a very nice neighborhood, it is a good choice.

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