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<p>I’m not assuming this. People have been admitting that they are not comfortable with an African American president. Again, 23% of Clinton voters in West Virginia voiced this sentiment when asked.</p>

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<p>What does this have to do with anything?</p>

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<p>Read what I write and don’t put words in my mouth. I did not say Jindal would cause McCain to lose the election. I said that it would cause McCain to lose votes.</p>

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<p>Hardly anyone knows who Jindal is. Jindal is a phenomenon among educated Republicans and conservatives. The rank and file Republicans and conservatives have no idea who he is and are more likely to be wary of Jindal because of his ethnicity.</p>

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<p>No! Jindal does not have any sort of fundraising network nor does he have a significant national following.</p>

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<p>No, racism is not this nuanced. If you are racist you pretty much dislike anyone who is not like you. </p>

<p>Also, you seem to think that racist people feel bad that they are racist—which probably is not the case.</p>

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<p>Why do you think that Romney’s religion is a liability, while Jindal’s ethnicity is not?</p>

<p>Zoosermom:

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<p>I’m voting for Obama because he’s simply more intelligent that McCain is. I think that Obama and McCain are both men of good character; however, I think that because of his higher level of intelligence Obama can make better judgments.</p>

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<p>You have this view only because you assume that everyone is as educated and tolerant as you and those around you.</p>

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<p>Mercymom:</p>

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<p>That’s how I know not to take you seriously. Why don’t you be proactive and get the news yourself via the internet? </p>

<p>Getting your news and taking political cues from Rush Limbaugh and others like him is like getting news and taking political cues from the Colbert Report.</p>

<p>Lastly, what is with all these moms whining about Obama? It’s unneccessary and getting pretty annoying. Just look at the issues, figure out where you stand, figure out where the candidates stand or are likely to stand, and make your decision about whom to vote for. All this complaining is just distracting from the actual issues.</p>

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<p>– First,
the people I am around on a daily basis are most likely exactly those that fit your outrageous stereotype of a knuckleheaded-racists voter.</p>

<p>I am a builder/woodworker. Check the SN.
They’re my peeps – in the vernacular.</p>

<p>– Second,
Jindal overwhelmingly won Louisiana. Not New Jersey.
And he won with the conservative white vote while loosing the liberal black vote by 90%: because they are liberals not because they are black.</p>

<p>– Third, and as I said,
I do not believe that anyone here knows a single person that would have and that wanted to vote for Senator Obama, but did not because they refused to vote for a black man. Not a single person. </p>

<p>Name names, my friend. </p>

<p>If these people existed, I would --in my field-- expect to know quite a few of them. They might have mentioned it while having a cold one after work. They don’t.</p>

<p>Now, a majority of the people I know are voting for McCain.
Not Obama. </p>

<p>As these things breakdown, the people in my line-a-work tend to be conservative. But in their defense I should add that they didn’t vote for J. Kerry or A. Gore when given the option to vote liberal in elections past. </p>

<p>Some did vote for Bill Clinton – but as I understand he was our first Black President and that would wreck your argument so, to be polite, I wont mention it.:)</p>

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<p>Newjack, I don’t just listen to the radio (which I do only because I spend a lot of time in the car), I read the local paper, and the NYT, WashPo, and Chicago Tribune online. But then only articles about Obama usually, when I am researching an issue. Then I read the New Yorker and Newsweek (subscribe to both). Read an article last night about Obama by Ryan Lizza from March of 07 in The New Republic (online), and there is the occasional glance at the Daily Kos and HuffPo. I watch CNN and MSNBC while doing the laundry.</p>

<p>“Interesting that you think it’s ridiculous to suggest that some Republicans won’t vote for a non-White, and yet you dismiss Romney because he is a Mormon.”</p>

<p>I like Mitt Romney. I would vote for him. I like the fact he’s a Mormon cause in my mind it has a connotation for clean living. But McCain is having trouble getting the evangelical wing of the Republican party to get behind him, and they apparently have an irrational fear that Mormons are not real Christians. Religion is a whole different issue from race. Neither one should matter, but to the evangelicals, religion and religious issues are a big deal. This is just a political observation on my part. It is an unpleasant result of the Republican Party relying too much for too long on the religious right for strength in voting. That was a strategy that isn’t working out too well for them in 2008, but so it is. How does McCain address that? jmho, Romney is not the solution.</p>

<p>My second point about Romney is health care. I like him because of the Mass health care law. My relatives do not. They want to stay as far away as they can get from anything that even remotely smacks of socialized medicine. Once again, I am observing the part of the Republican base McCain needs to attract and, jmho, Romney is not it.</p>

<p>Zoosermom - I can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or not. I have never said that I personally am a big fan of Jindal. I know full well what his weaknesses are, and what I consider his weaknesses to be. But I know a lot of people who are quite strongly behind him, and I think McCain needs those people. It still may not be enough to beat Obama, but it will keep things tight to the end. It might make this a photo finish in November. That depends on voter turnout, but unless McCain gets some energy into voter turnout, then Obama will run away with the election.</p>

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<p>My mother won’t vote for Obama because he’s a secret Muslim. I don’t know if that counts as voting against him because he’s black, though. She would also hesitate to vote for a Mormon, for just the reasons mercymom mentions.</p>

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<p>For the purposes of this question “Muslim” will not be considered a race and therefore; happy-day, your mother is no racist…one supposes.</p>

<p>Not voting for someone because of their world view seems fair and real to me. Perhaps it barely matters, but there are many things that barely matter that could tilt this election or a single voter one way or another. Such things are delicate and numinous even when seemingly obvious. It’s said that…</p>

<p>We are such stuff
As dreams are made on, and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.</p>

<p>We will all abide the decision in this election, well: if a bit aggravated.
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<p>“The rank and file Republicans and conservatives have no idea who he is and are more likely to be wary of Jindal because of his ethnicity.”</p>

<p>And you know this how? Not only is he talked about almost incessantly on conservative talk radio, he’s written up in the major papers, news magazines, etc. My guess is you never ever listen to conservative talk radio, not even to find out what the other side is up to. They are doing a fine job of brainwashing the faithful to get the vote out. It is amusing to watch (or should I say listen to) it happen.</p>

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<p>I would just repeat that the presence of Barr in this election means that McCain has to be careful of even the most extreme right of his base. If even a few per cent go over to Barr, tht could make the difference in key states. Choosing Jindal could make a small number of people do that, choosing Romney could make some do it, and choosing Giuliani could make an even larger number do so.</p>

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<p>Most conservatives don’t listen to those shows. </p>

<p>As for being talked about in the mainstream media, Jindal has not received the same level of consideration as Romney has.</p>

<p>Lastly, even though people may know who Jindal is very few know where he stands on the issues.</p>

<p>Bottomline, Jindal would be a huge liability for McCain. As an Obama supporter, I hope McCain picks him though. :)</p>

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<p>So the Rezko debacle and the Rev Wright situation showed how he can make better judgements? </p>

<p>I really had no problem with Obama as a President until just recently. I could accept he is the most liberal Senator and if our nation wants that, then great! However, now that he needs to get the center he has already begun to flip flop. Here are jut a few from [Politics</a>, Political News, Campaign 2008 - Politico.com](<a href=“http://www.politico.com%5DPolitics”>http://www.politico.com)

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<p>Will the real Obama please stand up! For a man that says he wants to see that how politics are played changed, he seems to have a good handle on how to play the game! That is why I am against him. Now before you all start shooting and posting McCains flip-flops, I admit he does too! However, McCains career has been long and notable, this is a man who has proven that he is going to do what is right for his constituents and if that means crossing the aisle and going against his party than so be it! Obama has yet to prove that!</p>

<p>I am with mercymom any person who is tuned into the republican party has known about Jindal for sometime. He made national news when he was elected Gov. of LA. Jindal made more headline news when McCain had his Memorial Day weekend retreat with selected guests and Jindal was 1 of them. The Sunday talk show circuit ate this up and started throwing his name in as a contender. I remember one show calling him the dark horse and quickly taking it back realizing it could be inferred in a skin tone conotation and not about being the long shot! It was also announced shortly after that weeked that Jindal would give the keynote on Weds. night, which is typically reserved for the new up and coming…Edwards in 00, Obama in 04, Powell in 00.</p>

<p>I have said I would love to see Crist, only because I feel Jindal is too young. Mark my words though if McCain loses, Jindal will seek a bid for 12. He is being groomed for a national level. I truly hope for the republicans they don’t pick him since VEEP can sometimes be the kiss of death for someones’ political career…Gore, Lieberman, Edwards, are prime examples.</p>

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<p>So if you listen to Rush and Hannity you are automatically a conservative? Then what am I because I listen to them and Randi Rhodes?</p>

<p>Not everyone who listens to El Rushbo is a Ditto head or a conservative. It is truly possible to become a conservative by listening to the other side(Randi) and sitting there in awe. BTW I am not even close to agreeing with El Rushbo…I also sit there in awe with some of the things he states.</p>

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Romney has not been talked about as a contender for sometime on the Sunday talk shows…he has now become if McCain wins what position will he be appointed to? My bet the deal has been made Romney will be appointed Treasury, this will be announced like Bush did…a quick succession, here is my VEEP, I have also asked Romney to be XXX, and Lieberman to be DOD or DOS, there will be a nice photo op with this and McCain now has additional voters. I.E. Conservatives will like Romney being in the Cabinet. Independents will be happy that Lieberman will be in a prominent position.</p>

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<p>bulletandpima:</p>

<p>Your posts make you sound like some kind of anti-Obama nut job. Cool it down with the rhetoric and maybe people will listen to what you have to say. To be honest, I couldn’t get myself to read your posts in their entirety because just from reading a few sentences I got the impression your just another irrational Obama hater. Also, I used the Find More Posts tool and saw that all of the threads you created recently were all anti-Obama. You’re entitled to your opinion, but to be honest I don’t want to hear it. Anyone who thinks Rezko and Wright are indicative of Obama’s judgement is naive and not worth engaging in a “serious” discussion of politics. People like this are less interested in actual policy than they are in drama, scandals, etc.</p>

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<p>I think McCain will pick Romney. Many on McCain’s staff are former GWBush administration advisors, and Romney has a lot of support there.</p>

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<p>Woodwork, of course fair-minded folks do not believe that everyone who won’t vote for Obama is a bigot. However, it is clear that some folks are quite candid about their opposition to Obama because of his race. Last week’s CNN report from Nashville was a striking example. And not all bigots fit the “knuckle dragger stereotype.” In Nashvile, an otherwise charming senior citizen woman and a seemingly ordinary man were extordinarily frank in their racial bias. These are the same type of folks who probably voted against US (Tennesee) senate candidate Harold Ford Jr. in 2006; and Ford, like a lot of southern Black folks, is relatively conservative, compared to Democrats in places like Chicago, Washington and New York.</p>

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<p>Anyone who says that mainstream conservatives don’t know Jindal, knows nothing of which he speaks. Jindal is the sweetheart of mainstream conservatives – NRO, Weekly Standard, Frontpage, etc. All of the mainstream. Conservatives know Jindal and have debated his record extensively. It’s just ludicrous for someone who isn’t a part of the conservative movement to think he knows what we discuss.</p>

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<p>To be clear: </p>

<p>to me the question is how many people that say they were going to vote for Senator Obama will then say that they did not vote for him because of his skin color. It is the only question that matters when determining the impact race is having on the actual vote and not simply on our perceptions of American voters.</p>

<p>CNN and the rest have been, in my opinion, very disingenuous from the beginning on this point and this question.</p>

<p>I, for instances, cannot stand the Anaheim Ducks.
Even more I hate their uniform. If someone asked I will say so. Their uniform may even irrationaly pike my animosity a bit as I find it so gauche and tasteless (their new one is far better if no more interesting and I still can’t stand them). </p>

<p>I would not rail against them because of their uniform but if anyone’s asking I might add that I find their uniform tasteless. It is not, however, the reason that I do not like them.</p>

<p>Most of the “are you a racist voter questions” have ignored this obvious bit of human nature. For instance, the slight of hand that asked: </p>

<p>“Did race have anything to do with your vote?” </p>

<p>After voting their preference for the other candidate they are polled thusly and then some few respond:</p>

<p>“Well, now that you mention it, it made me uncomfortable. It did bother me a bit”…etc.</p>

<p>So, can we then conclude that there is racial discomfort and prejudice in the United States? Amidst a good many other misgivings one would of course say: yes, there is. Are there racists? As elsewhere: again, yes. </p>

<p>Did race determine the outcome of the vote or even any particular vote?
I highly doubt it.
Until someone comes forward and says Senator Obama was my candidate until I found out he was black, the point is silent. </p>

<p>Have you heard or read about anyone that said they were going to vote for Senator Obama but were forced to vote otherwise because of his skin color?</p>

<p>Seriously, have you?</p>

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We learned from the Clinton years that associates matter very much. Your post to B&P was spectacularly rude, condescending and completely lacking in insight or information. I generally skip your posts, as well, because they provide nothing worth reading. Unlike many liberals on this site who are smart, articulate and darn interesting.</p>

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I agree with the last sentence; individual polls this early are rarely reflective of the results on election day. What I don’t understand is why you think polls historically run lower numbers for Republicans? Is this a historical or scientific reasoning? For what I understand, the polls are actually slightly lower for Obama than what is reality. The reason (reasons and explanations are important) behind this is that national polling is done by phone calls to land lines in people’s residence. Many younger people no longer use land lines, but just keep their cell phones as their main contact medium, but polls can’t reach them then. Young people are one of Obama’s biggest support groups.</p>

<p>What do you think, bulletandpima?</p>

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I’m sorry but I know quite a few (very) mainstream conservatives who have heard of his name, but do not consider him a strong force within the party, let alone the “sweethart.” I totally respect, however, if he plays such a role in your views and the views of your friends. Also if he is so loved by mainstream conservatives, and if by definition mainstream represents a large group, why has his name not been mentioned more seriously in the past? Mainstream republicans are usually a force to be dealt with.</p>

<p>For the record again, I believe Romney will be the VP choice, although there is still quite a big probability of error.</p>

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<p>I totally agree HiWei.</p>

<p>Rasmussen has also stated that they are having problems polling b/c more people no longer have land lines. Those that do are typically older, which also skews the polls.</p>

<p>Now the problem with the younger voters is they do not typically show up to vote in a % as high as older voters, which again causes polling problems.</p>

<p>Finally, many Americans are on the do not call list, which means pollsters cannot call…again the numbers will be skewed.</p>

<p>Rasmussen used examples of how exit polling in certain areas were closer to the real number than any polls they could obtain.</p>