Messages you'd give to all the horrible high school teachers who tried to destroy your childs gift

I think the emotion is a bit out of control, but I have some sympathy for the basic sentiment in the OP. It isn’t just the arts. And its not just teachers. It seems to me, without the benefit of data, that the ratio of people who are happy to see the success of others to those who are hoping for some come-uppance is far less than 1:1.

Regrettably, I think this syndrome often extends to family members, and arises from deep insecurity. It’s the “I’m nothing and neither are you” mindset.

Now the fact of the matter is that teachers and coaches as a group are just average. Its hard to find the ones who are truly upper decile. In coaching you see them over time when after twenty year careers their record puts them into the record books in your state. Often the coaches who aren’t in that category come up with “explanations” for the success, much of which takes the form of excuses.

The reality is that the best teachers and coaches usually are talented in their field, and they care deeply about the results for their students and players. But ultimately, IMO, the characteristic that separates them is that they are able to instill in their students and players a belief that they can be the best, and achieve a lot. This is far more important that technical expertise in their field, since the students own energy and motivation are the critical elements of success.

Its too bad that every teacher or coach isn’t top decile. Clearly that’s not possible. It’s not as though we have a line of hall of fame teachers or coaches waiting to fill vacancies. From time to time its likely that some should look into other careers, but that’s the small minority. The real issue for parents is how we can select the best people to teach and train our kids, and how we can encourage the ones we select to be the best that they can be.

My daughter had a nasty, vicious teacher for English when she was a junior in high school. Her grade that year may have affected some of her college admissions (although I am sure she is in a great place for her). The last thing I’d want to do is attack the teacher myself and tell her I-told-you-so! I am happy to know that the teacher was fired the following year and no longer tormenting the students she didn’t deign to favor during the first week of school and beyond. The system worked. (@bjkmom and other teachers here, this is not at all a reflection of what I feel about the profession in general!)

I’m convinced that sometimes fellow teachers – the very good ones – do not know what is going on with the true rotten apples. My daughter had a coach iin ninth grade who was very similar to the guy in Whiplash – a true sadistic bully.

Because part of the guy’s MO was to scare the kids into not reporting his behavior to the parents, I did not find out the full extent until much later. But my daughter did confide to another teacher what was going on and the teacher was shocked and aghast even though it had apparently gone on for years. The guy was put on administrative leave soon after my daughter spoke to the teacher and was ultimately fired. Other teachers knew that he was a “hardball” teacher but did not know that he was actually psychologically abusive.

I have no idea if OP’s kid was the victim of sadistic bullying or if the charge is that the teacher[s] in question simply did not recognize or appreciate the kid’s genius. But the sadistic bullies do exist … And recognizing that does NOT in any way denigrate the tens of thousands of wonderful, kind, dedicated teachers out there.

Edited to add: i dont have any idea why the last sentence is showing as crossed out.

My son had a few teachers who were really bad fits for him. There was one in 3rd grade who was an especially bad fit. One day I was so frustrated in a parent teacher conference I told her she was destroying his self esteem (not one of my finest moments). My daughter who was a very different student had the same teacher and my D loved her. It was one of her best years.

Invariably the teachers who were a bad fit for one, were a good fit for the other kid. It was kinda crazy actually.

Both kids graduated high school and college and have great lives. No one has been scarred. Neither is going to be famous though.

I certainly think actual “sadistic” bullies - (implying that they are actively trying to emotionally or physically harm others) are fairly rare - and they should not be tolerated. But going back to the OP, I find it hard to believe an entire school system was out to get her kid across all of MS and HS. And given the fact that she posted this morning and disappeared- her post seems pretty incredible

I’ve had some vicious teachers, but at some point you just have to let go, even if it sucks. I remember my 8th grade history teacher’s way of dealing with my Aspergers and the tendencies that came with. She’d just bounce me over to on campus suspension every time I got overexcited, pedantic, or off topic. History was my favorite topic. Of course I got overexcited. I lost 16 days of class (and got yelled at, grounded, and/or smacked by my parents every time I came home after), got kicked out of all the mock historical events the class had, ended up dreading going to school, and got a D-. My mother thought she was the best teacher I ever had because she punished me when I stepped out of line. Was it out of line? Yes, and school administration really should have gotten involved when they saw how often I wasn’t even in class. Can I do anything about something that happened 13 years ago? Not really. I don’t even remember what her name was.

My kid didn’t encounter the person who obviously enjoyed crushing student musicians until college. His teacher in HS–a successful professional–told me that he had at least one adult student who was, or had been, fully capable of being a successful professional violinist who had been crushed by another of that type. He was astounded by the actions of the college guy. They exist.

But hey, my kid could have dug in and worked around him or proven himself to the bully, even if it meant swallowing his pride in a major way. He chose not to, unfortunately. The school has since parted ways with that guy, thank doG. Too late for continuity in S’s performance on that instrument. But there is nothing stopping him from pursuing it further if he wants to. He was never going to be a professional musician anyway.

My S has been intellectually gifted, especially in language, from the get go. I think that in his 13 years of k-12 education, he has only encountered 3 teachers who did him a serious disservice, and in all of those cases is was more of a question of misfit than of deliberate sabotage.

Almost all of my kid’s teacher have been great, each in their own way.

When my son was in 5th grade, he ran into a bully of a principal in his private school. He humiliated my son for 5 straight hours. A secretary called me, and I picked up my son. My parents lived around the corner, so he could have gone home 5 hours earlier. His tachycardia was beyond healthy. I was ready to call DSS.

So, I called the head of PTA. She was sympathetic, but told me to call Board head. She too was sympathetic. Sweet words, but no action. Well, those 2 women had kids in an older class. The principal came after their sons the following week. Outcome? He was fired.

The worst part for me was that I use to think that I would empathetically know when my son was in trouble. My bubble burst that day. My son has no memory of this incident, but to me, it is as though it was yesterday.

I’ve never had such a negative reaction to any teacher. Some have been marvelous. The GC was beyond amazing. I feel for the OP, but question such strong emotion for so many people.

There will always be bad teachers, and they certainly shouldn’t be teaching, and if it’s really bad, every step should be taken to get them fired. However, in life, there will always be rude douchebags and bullies. Part of growing up is learning to deal with, eliminate, or ignore those people. A parent overreacting (though normal reacting is fine) won’t help the child mature, and for sure won’t make a difference when concerns are overshadowed by overblown anger and bile.

Reading some of these comments I understand why a teacher or GC will tell a student he has a good chance of acceptance at Harvard and that Cornell is a perfect safety. Even if the kid has a 1750 SAT and a 3.2 UW GPA and no hook! They don’t want to be accused of being a dream crusher, even if the dream is a fantasy.

Many teachers knew of my and my HS classmates’ horrid 9th grade’s teacher’s rep, but couldn’t do anything about it even if they wanted to because he had high seniority and taught at my HS for 10+ years and previously taught at other HS for 20 odd years.

And a few of the old school senior admins actually thought his haranguing and singling individual students out for sarcastic taunts/insults was “character building”, especially for the male students.

Incidentally, the manner in which he treated us was such a few classmates who ended up going to the FSAs or private military colleges like VMI felt the yelling from upperclassmen and drill instructors for the ones going through a special Marine summer training programs for aspiring Marine officers attending Annapolis/NROTC was very mild in comparison. Some of us wondered/joked about whether he was formerly military drill instructor who particularly relished sadistically yelling at/taunting his students.

To be fair, most HS teachers weren’t anywhere near as horrid. Most may have had high expectations and some were just as strict. However, the key difference was they also made it a point to be reasonable, measured, and just in their treatment of us.

I get the feeling that some of the teachers on this thread feel offended. I want to stress that almost all of my daughter’s teachers were wonderful, caring, devoted people with the stamina and patience of saints.

@bjkmom wrote

But is it credible that the OP’s son encountered MULTIPLE dream-crushing theater teachers throughout his HS career?

@OP wrote

Wow… the OP saw not just underappreciated talent in her son, but serious GREATNESS.

As a parent of a high ability slacker son (consistently scores 99th percentile on standarded test but gets lousy grades because can’t be bothered be bothered to hand assignments in on time), I have found that teachers & athletic coaches are pretty perceptive about recognizing natural ability in kids.

I suspect it was either his dept that heavily critiqued him or others who didn’t cut him slack for being an artiste.

Teaching is an amazing calling. I am grateful for the many wonderful teachers who nurture our loved ones in their educational journeys, especially through challenging times. Thank you!

We’ve been really lucky. Through all my kids’ years of schooling I can only think of 1 horrible, mean teacher who was, unfortunately, a pull-out enrichment teacher (a really petty, mean spirited individual who many had issues with) and a few that were less effective, kind of burnt out, kind of meh. The vast majority of my kids’ teachers were wonderful, dedicated and effective teachers, especially in our public elementary and middle schools.

I think my kids had luck with good teachers because my kids were respectful and prepared for class. We, as parents, worked in partnership with our kids’ teachers, helped out in the classroom whenever it was needed and taking time off work, listened to the teachers’ critiques of our kids, and showed in any way we could that we valued the teachers. Teachers in our school district have a lot of say in where their students get placed the following year. They know what teachers are the best and they know what works well for different types of students. Being a cooperative and engaged family with kids who towed the line, each teacher really took care of my kids regarding placement for the coming year resulting in a string of great experiences. I never requested a teacher for my kids but they always got the best of the bunch. I also taught my kids to appreciate and value the teachers who set high standards over the “party mode”, easy teachers.

Everyone probably has a bad experience or two they could write about but if you are having a string of bad luck and unfortunate encounters, it’s time to check your own behavior.

My kids had awesome teachers for the most part. Each had one or two that weren’t my or their cup of tea. So what? They learned anyway…and that was that.

I’d like to add, that my older kid had a teacher who was particularly difficult with my kid. He couldn’t stand her. My younger kid had the same teacher and adored her.

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Well, there are some horrible teachers out there. I had a monster one in the 4th grade, and my daughter had a middle school band director who spoiled instrumental music for her. It could be that the OP’s son drew the short straw and had several bad teachers, or perhaps some lead teacher (like the head of the English department) had it in for her son. Without more details, we really can’t tell. I do think that the situation calls for the old saying “Living well is the best revenge.”

Leaving out the OP’s post, that made it seem like every teacher the kid had was trying to ‘crush him’, which I find kind of dubious, there were some interesting posts in this thread and i think it is a valid discussion

“And a few of the old school senior admins actually thought his haranguing and singling individual students out for sarcastic taunts/insults was “character building”, especially for the male students.”. Sadly, some of the posters on this thread seem to feel the same thing, it is much like those who defend bullying as ‘part of growing up’ and 'it makes an adult of you". This is basically the attitude of the teacher in the movie “Whiplash” and is not that uncommon, even now, in music teaching (the old school violin teachers from Europe and Russia were known for it, Auer, Fuchs, Brodsky and more than a few of the others were known for what today many would call abuse…they basically feel it is their duty to break the student down, but they don’t think they have a need to buold them up)…and it is a crock of bs. It is one thing to be tough, by son has had plenty of tough teachers, including his current one, but that doesn’t mean being sadistic either, and the whole ‘build character through fire’ is a myth, it is much the myth that being in the military, especially in combat, necessarily forges character.

Sure, you can learn life lessons through situations like that, but it also can help destroy someone and it always reminds me of a line from the TV series MASH, where they ask the CO if he felt, with the advances in medicine that often come out of warfare, if war had any value, and he said none at all. Likewise, a brutal teacher might teach some lessons, but they also do a lot more damage than makes it worth it.

Some were saying “well, if you have a tough boss, what do you do?”. If a Boss is more than tough, but is over the line, is abusive, either you file a complaint with HR, you transfer to another department, or you find another job. Unfortunately, kids in school don’t necessarily have that option, a rotten teacher is pretty much what they get. Learning to ‘endure’ can be a great lesson, but what kind of lesson is it to tell someone that when something rotten comes along, all you can do is endure it, rather than trying to change it? If my boss is unfair to me, I talk to him/her about it, and if they tell me stick it, then I find other ways around it. The key lesson in endurance is to endure what you have to, but it also is you don’t have to endure things if you have options.

as far as @clarinetdad16’s post goes, it denpends on what we are talking about. If the talented kid is in an orchestra where they aren’t getting much out of it (likely any school orchestra program is going to be well below the levelt hey are playing at) and the music director is a petty tyrant who makes the kid’s lives a living hell, simply to be a bully and throw around his/her weight, what that teaches is you don’t have to endure something that isn’t doing something for you. Plus to be brutally honest, having been around school music programs for a number of years, when it comes to the talented music kids the music director is getting a lot more from the kids than he/she is giving, if a kid if doing outside programs it is more than likely the conductors and such there are a lot higher level and a lot tougher. (And that said, that doesn’t mean every music director is an untalented bully, a lot of schoo music directors understand the path of the talented kids, the ones heading into music, and while they appreciate the kid participating, they also are wise enough, and human enough, to want to help the kid, too, and there are a lot of those).

Again, the OP’s post was over the top, and quite honestly, talking about her little genius or whatever was pretty lame, because when it comes to music, or musical theater, as good as a kid is, I guarantee you there are a ton of kids they will run into who are better. I am very proud of my son and his accomplishments, but he himself and my wife and I would never, ever say something like that, knowing what is out there, and yeah, the OP does smack of the stage mother/music mother/Parents I have seen, the kind who would try and make noise outside an audition room to distract a competitor kid (in their eyes), or in several cases, attempted to damage instruments…

One other thing with teachers, very few are sadistic bullies outright, a lot are decent people who don’t understand the needs of kids, who are locked, for a variety of reasons, into one way of doing things. Good teachers know kids come in many sizes, bad ones try to fith them into the same box; likewise, sometimes wonderful teachers do stupid things, like try to give advice they think is realistic, when they don’t know. Friend of mine is a talented musician, was in high school, was playing in bands, composing, doing a lot of music, and the school music director spent high school telling him he would never achieve anything, that he wasn’t good enough, and “believe me, I know” …my friend got into Berklee, and while music is not his primary avocation, he has a couple of bands that do gigs, and also does music production for pretty well known acts. When he went back to his high school for a reuinion, same music director was gushing over him, saying she always knew he would make it lol. In other words, teachers are human, there a great ones, good ones, and crappy ones. My beef is more with the education system then teachers, I think our public school education system is a Prussian bureaucracy designed to turn out a standardized product (not surprising, given that is what Mr. Mann was, A Prussian Bureucrat turning out product for the state), and doesn’t allow much variance, and I think a lot of bright, creative teachers get trampled under the system.

My S had an awful, mean, burned out teacher in second grade. Except for a (now, but not at the time) humorous story I occasionally tell about S’s second grade experience, I hadn’t thought about her in years. Until recently–when she became facebook friends with one of my facebook friends and her smiling face shows up on my computer every so often. Good thing facebook doesn’t have a “gag” button.