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<p>Doubt it. D1 is working feverishly on her Master’s Thesis, and D2 was busy working on homework due for the first day of accounting class. She’s been dreading that class, so I think she was obsessing about that all night. Knowing her personality, and having seen only some still photographs of the performance, she probably would have thought it was just really crass and gross, and would have rolled her eyes and laughed it off.</p>
<p>Any suggestion of taking “The Vigilant Citizen” seriously takes us farther down the crazy road than Miley’s performance did.</p>
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<p>I agree with this. There is always a choice. Unless Cyrus is an experimental part-cyborg part-human pop star with a chip implanted in her brain allowing Hollywood powers to control her behavior, there is always a choice.</p>
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<p>Smart girl. Who said: “with age comes wisdom?”</p>
<p>When you get a celebrity who’s pulling in the 100 millions, it seems that eventually they become surrounded by “yes men” and women. No one dreams of challenging the celebrity or being a contrary opinion. So the celebrity gets a false sense of their judgment. They can come to believe that they are always in the right. Even criticism of the type Miley is hearing falls on deaf ears. Admitting that they are wrong is just not in their vocabulary. Which is a shame, because making mistakes is how most of us have learned some very valuable lessons. Regular people like us have spouses or family members or friends calling us out when we screw up or are rude or mean or thoughtless or stupid or crass or gross. We may feel the sting of a cold shoulder when we do something wrong or make a mistake in judgment. But the celebrity surrounded by people who validate every word, every action, every thought do not get honest feedback and might just come to believe that they are always right and any sentiment to the contrary is borne of jealousy or just the nonsense spouted by “haters.”</p>
<p>It’s never a good thing to be surrounded by people who cannot/will not be honest with you.</p>
<p>Which is probably why Brooke Shields wondered who was “advising” Miley.</p>
<p>Maybe it’s too late, Krlilies, and she has been assimilated. Once assimilated by the Borg, there can be no choice but to perform comedically crude and grotesque dance moves.</p>
<p>How many years before we are reading about Miley in rehab?? How many weeks before Liam walks?</p>
<p>Maybe, as the parent of a child who was constantly being “discovered,” and was constantly saying, “No. I don’t think that’s a good path for any child,” I have a very different perspective on this.</p>
<p>All I can say is that I believe if you put your kid in show business when they are kids, this is the most likely outcome. I find it hilarious that a group of people who obsessively discuss the importance of educations and peer groups can’t see this. It’s so obvious.</p>
<p>“but she wanted to be on TV!” Oh yeah? so did my kid, and she could have been. She also wanted to run out and play in traffic at some point, stick a fork in a socket and not do her homework. </p>
<p>She’s the same age as our kids. do any of you REALLY believe they are clearly forming uninfluenced ideas at this point? I have a couple of super independent kids. It will be years before they really understand what it is to think outside of their influences.</p>
<p>It was years before I did, and years before any of you did, no matter how independently thinking you might believe you were at 20.</p>
<p>Well her income will not at all be affected by me or anyone else in our family unit. None of us owned any of her music or silly t shirts before this event and she didn’t suddenly become appealing after the vulgar display</p>
<p>I don’t know, poetgrl, I believe my influence on my kids is rather limited. If I say something irrational or overly biased, they call me on it pretty quickly. I doubt they would allow me to influence them into doing something completely stupid or publicly humiliating. They would refuse.</p>
<p>And at age 21 I was flying around some pretty important people. How little do we think of our generals and senators, to allow someone who wasn’t old enough to think independently, to make decisions that their lives depended upon?</p>
<p>At what age is it no longer Mommies, Daddies and our friends fault? At what age do we become responsible for our own bad decisions?</p>
<p>Perhaps all Miley needs is some training on what is sexy and what is stupid/gross/vulgar…you know, maybe a power point:
Photo of young woman with the tip of her tongue out = sexy
Photo of young woman with her entire tongue out = not sexy</p>
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<p>Good points. So often when parents of child stars are interviewed, they say “But it was her dream!” It’s not necessary for children to achieve their dreams by the age of 10 or 15. </p>
<p>The stories of child stars and all their problems are rampant. I’m sure there are some who stay sane and have nice lives, but we don’t hear about them very often.</p>
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<p>Lol, missypie. :D</p>
<p>Someone referenced Marilyn Monroe and her breathy Happy Birthday song. I think part of what made that an iconic moment was that it wasn’t quite so overt. No tongue wiggling, no simulated masturbation. Sometimes less is more. </p>
<p>Of course, for his time, Elvis’ dance style was considered quite vulgar. Certainly not subtle. </p>
<p>I watched a show recently about the Beatles and how their “long hair” made them so shocking to many. But they were wearing suits and ties, so really how shocking were they? Every generation has their own way of pushing the envelope. I’m no prude, but crotch grabbing has always just seemed gross, whether it is Michael Jackson or Miley Cyrus. Really, keep your hands off your genitals in public-and I was saying that back in the day when I was young, too.</p>
<p>Miley is responsible for her actions. But if you didn’t believe their childhood influences would effect your kids entire lives, you wouldn’t pay for private school or worry over the right college choice. </p>
<p>You were flying them and you were wearing the uniform they told you to wear. Miley would benefit from somebody teaching her some real discipline. Now it’s probably too late. </p>
<p>If she figures it out it will be inspite of the guidance she’s gotten, not because of it. It’s unfortunate. Instead, she could be studying performance at Carnegie Mellon.</p>
<p>Things could have been crazier at the VMA show. I heard Betty White had auditioned for the bit Miley did at the VMAs.</p>
<p>Speaking of parental reactions - Robin Thicke has a mother, too. She concentrates on Miley’s behavior … still I enjoyed her reaction.</p>
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<p>I can’t unsee it. Lol</p>
<p>My D wondered if she was high when she performed. She thinks that is the only way that someone could go through with that performance. </p>
<p>She didn’t seem to be under the influence to me but still, I just can’t fathom that lack of judgement.</p>
<p>Gloria Loring is Robin Thicke’s mom?!</p>
<p>“You were flying them and you were wearing the uniform they told you to wear. Miley would benefit from somebody teaching her some real discipline. Now it’s probably too late.”</p>
<p>I agree about the discipline. At least a little bit of guidance telling her that she wasn’t queen of the universe and could do anything she wanted would of helped. But I suppose, maybe that’s what she got, how can we know.</p>
<p>I still wear the uniform they tell me to, because I want to keep my job (plus it’s nice not having to buy work clothes, and in the military you get to wear nomex…flame resistant, makes you less of a fireball). But wearing the clothes you’re told to is the last thing you think about when you sign that dotted line and take the pledge, and nobody makes you do it, it is still completely voluntary.</p>
<p>“If she figures it out it will be inspite of the guidance she’s gotten, not because of it. It’s unfortunate. Instead, she could be studying performance at Carnegie Mellon.”</p>
<p>I’m sure she’d rather be making hundreds of millions of dollars being a sleaze than going to college. Plus, CMU fine arts students are extremely talented, she wouldn’t have gotten in anyways. It’s too bad, she could have still made all that money without going the porn route. But apparently getting attention is more important than anything.</p>
<p>“Things could have been crazier at the VMA show. I heard Betty White had auditioned for the bit Miley did at the VMAs.”</p>
<p>Hey, now Betty would have just been funny, she could have pulled it off far classier.</p>