<p>This recent report says the minimum SAT score to get into Hutton was 1310/1600 in Fall 2008.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.indiana.edu/~vppp/planning/documents/HuttonCollegeProgressReport.pdf[/url]”>http://www.indiana.edu/~vppp/planning/documents/HuttonCollegeProgressReport.pdf</a></p>
<p>Yeah, but don’t forget that there is also a minimum GPA requirement as well (I believe it is 3.85 for incoming freshmen), and it is 3.70 for first-year students. Also, while it is possible to get into Hutton after your freshman year, it is essentially impossible to complete all the honors courses required for “general honors” certification unless you are admitted by the end of the freshman year. </p>
<p>Check out Hutton Honors college’s information page on admissions for prospective students:</p>
<p>[Information</a> for Prospective Students](<a href=“http://www.indiana.edu/~iubhonor/hds/admissions.php]Information”>http://www.indiana.edu/~iubhonor/hds/admissions.php)</p>
<p>This is the only honors program at any school I know of who won’t even tell you what their criteria are for admittance. I guess they are afraid that some people with good skills who are not admitted might (gasp!) actually apply for admittance–instead of them being able to pick just the people they want.</p>
<p>Note they only say that “Students admitted to IU-Bloomington by April 1, 2009 will be selected to apply, based on a combination of performance on standardized test scores, high school academic record, evidence of creativity and leadership, and demonstrated interest in participating in the HHC curriculum and community. No one factor alone is sufficient for selection.” Also, note here that they say that this is how you get “invited”–and note that one of the criteria is that they grade you on your demonstrated interest. Really? Even though you haven’t sent them a single note or comment indicating any interest since all you’ve done to this point is send in an application for admittance?</p>
<p>Also, as you indicated, there is a SAT requirement for admission–but note they won’t list what it is on their admissions page–nor on any of their other linked pages.</p>
<p>Personally, this is the one aspect of the IU-B experience that has left an extremely sour taste in my mouth. This “secret society” prides themselves on their exclusivity and as far as I can see, provides no real benefit to either their members or those they exclude. They teach a few honors courses that could just as easily be taught in the general departments and they put out a couple of journals–one of which only goes to about 100 people.</p>
<p>Personally, I think the university should scrap this college and start over with a different honors program that both tells you what they are trying to accomplish, what their admission standards are, and doesn’t hide behind a veil of snobbishness. It might actually make people want a “general honors” designation on their diploma–which today almost nobody at the school cares about.</p>
<p>----But let me tell you what I really think ;-)</p>
<p>P.S. They are unlikely to change the Hutton Honors system anytime soon–the reason is because the person who used to run it has now moved into a high-level position in the general administration of IU-B.</p>
<p>Interesting…I was thinking of applying fr. yr. but if it doesn’t do much and only gives me harder classes then I would rather not. Do you have any comments on kelley business honors?</p>
<p>I mentioned this in a related thread, but when my daughter and I visited IU, back in April, we attended an info. session specifically for the honors college. At that session, we were told that the current minimum SAT (m + cr) score to be considered for admission to Hutton was 1310, as the OP mentioned. However, the Hutton rep. also mentioned that that score was going to go up “slightly”, as he put it, for the applicants for Fall 2010 admission, but he wouldn’t give a figure. In that related thread, someone had mentioned that the actual current minimum score might be around 1350…?</p>
<p>Hutton honors students can choose to take as many or as few honors classes as they want (including no honors classes if they choose). Hutton honors students can take any honors class (with the exception of honors i-core), whereas kelley honors students can only take honors classes in the business school. Kelley honors requires you to take 3 honors classes before i-core, so if you want to take honors microeconomics (or honors writing, honors geology, etc), you cannot take these classes unless you are also in Hutton honors.</p>
<p>momonthehill, I thought the minimum SAT might be 1350 last year, because that is the minimum they posted on their website about four years ago. This old web page says
“Automatically admitted with 1350 or 31 OR top 5% HS”
[honors[/url</a>]
Here is another old reference
[url=<a href="Honors Programs and Colleges - Joan Digby - Google Books; smart choices: honors … - Google Books](<a href=“http://faculty.samford.edu/~medebow/honors.htm]honors[/url”>honors)</p>
<p>Maxellis, you can still take three honors I-Core pre-requisites without being in Hutton if you take them your sophomore year after getting into business honors. A lot of people trying to get into business honors don’t take A201 their freshman year (content and grading are both very tough, and it could hurt their gpa when applying for business honors) and instead take the honors accounting classes A207 and A205 (managerial accounting before financial accounting, even though it seems backwards) in their second year at IU. Then they add another honors I-Core pre requisite class in one of the semesters, and their usually still lots to choose (X106, L293, X202) from Kelley (not Hutton) that they haven’t taken yet. </p>
<p>Calcruzer, I don’t know why Hutton won’t divulge the requirements. Maybe somebody can call the IU Office of Admissions and find out what they are. They know the minimums and automatically send the Hutton “invitations” (in the form of the selective scholarship application and a letter from the Hutton dean) to people who qualify based on on info sent to the IU admissions office. The “demonstrated interest” mentioned by Hutton is merely the person receiving the SSA and Hutton invitation from the dean getting back to Hutton and saying, “I want to be in Hutton.” The dean’s letter said last year “If you choose not to submit the Selective Scholarship Application, but you would still like to become a member of the Hutton Honors College’s fall freshman class, please send an e-mail (or write a letter) to indicate your interest to Jill Baker, Director of Admissions of the HHC. . . .” </p>
<p>Hutton has huge benefits for Kelley direct admits, as it enables them to get into a lot of business honors classes that are not open to direct admits. It also makes scheduling more flexible. My son took 14 hours last semester, and fell to eleven hours after withdrawing from finite. He had to get back over 12 hours for his scholarships. Instead of taking a worthless eight-week HYPER class, he looked for an eight-week class that would apply to the distribution option. All of the freshman level second eight-weeks distribution option classes were closed except an honors COLL S103 (A&H) class, which he got into, thus being able to get a useful class to offset dropping finite. Honors classes are small, too. Honors micro and macroeconomics are thirty students; non honors are up to 400 students per section. Also, a lot of the business honors classes, which you can take if you are in Hutton (except for I-Core and a few others), without being in the business honors program meet only two days a week. Honors equivalents of A201, A202, K204, X201 meet two days a week and the non-honors meet three days a week, and this usually includes a Friday for non-honors.</p>
<p>momonthehill-That was me that indicated a score of 1350 in a previous post. In the midst of a child’s college applications it’s easy to get confused by requirements from various schools. Someone from the Hutton Honors college threw that number out to us at some point I think. I could though be confusing it with another school that specifically told us that number or with the information bthomp1 posted. Who knows?</p>
<p>calcruzer–interesting perspective. DD wanted to be part of Hutton Honors College because of the ability to take smaller classes. We are hoping it makes this large university seem smaller for her and provides some “connecting point.” No snobbery involved here, just looking for a way to make a large university seem more personal via the smaller classes and other activities available.</p>
<p>I didn’t get invited to apply for their program, so I emailed them about it. My ACT score met their requirement, but my GPA was just a little bit too low. I explained to them that my GPA was low because I had cancer and was undergoing treatments in Houston, 5 hours from home. This senior year I’ve made just under a 4.0. The email I got back said that they didn’t have any room left in the Honors housing or program. They said if I made at least a 3.7 for my first semester at IU, then I could join in the spring. </p>
<p>I didn’t ask, but thought: Why would there be room in January if there isn’t any in August? ;)</p>
<p>As it is, I might go somewhere else for a year instead and transer (God willing) to Bucknell.</p>
<p>Thanks (again) bthomp1 and rrah for your responses. I guess we’ll just proceed with the assumption that the minimum SAT threshold is 1350.</p>
<p>swissmiss3 - Best of luck to you, wherever you end up enrolling.</p>
<p>I really do think that they look at a large variety of factors. My student was invited to apply and was accepted into Hutton. </p>
<p>The SAT score was between 1310 and 1350, class rank at a very large OOS competitve high school was 1 student outside of top 10%, 4 years of honors and AP classes in all core subjects, outstanding letters of recommendation, and a weighted GPA was used (just as it was used for the automatic scholarships). </p>
<p>We also saw this as an opportunity to make a “large school” more personal.</p>
<p>I was at orientation today. In the Hutton Honors session for parents, the dean indicated that for fall of 2009 the minimum would be 1350 with a 3.95 GPA or top 5% of class. Higher SAT scores required lower GPA’s–sorry I can’t remember the specifics as it was towards the end of a long day. They accepted about 1000 students this year–of course–like all things with the class of 2009, the biggest number ever. Total enrollment in Honors is about 4700.</p>
<p>I’m following this thread with great interest. Perhaps the Hutton Honors college requirements differ by major/college? When D applied to IU she was invited to apply to Hutton and was accepted (but ended up somewhere else). She was not a designated Business major. Perhaps the criteria they provide are just general guidelines. There has to be wiggle room to account for high schools that don’t rank or calculate GPA – our son is interested in applying to Kelly and his school does neither. Perhaps they use the minimum SAT score then judge applications on other criteria, including, but not limited to class rank, GPA, etc.?</p>
<p>CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION as it’s too late to edit my post. I should have said students applying in the fall of 2009 for the fall of 2010. Sorry for any confusion. It was a long day.</p>
<p>Don Ho, I think the top 5% ranking in your graduating high school class can get you into Hutton if your SAT/ACT and gpa are relatively low. This information is collected from the applicant to IU’s counselor form by the admissions office. The admissions office and not Hutton sends out the invitations to join Hutton in the form of the Selective Scholarship Application, which has standardized test scores, gpa, and class numerical rank/percentage rank. Various sources published a few years ago when the criteria was published all use the OR qualifier for the three different categories. Here is one.
[Peterson’s</a> smart choices: honors … - Google Books](<a href=“Honors Programs and Colleges - Joan Digby - Google Books”>Honors Programs and Colleges - Joan Digby - Google Books)
And if an incoming freshman doesn’t get an invitation, then he can apply to Hutton. But the invitation comes from the admissions office based on standardized test scores, gpa, and class rank.</p>
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<p>Thanks again for passing on this information, rrah. One more question: Is it possible that the min. GPA # could be referring to <em>weighted</em> GPA figure, as is the case with the automatic scholarships?</p>
<p>IU uses the highest GPA they see for everything… including Hutton admissions. I had a 3.5 UW/4.2 W and they accepted my admissions appeal with my updated ACT score of 31 and a letter of recommendation.</p>
<p>Bumping this thread to the top as there seems to be a lot of questions lately concerning Hutton. Keep in mind some of this thread is about those admitted in the Fall 2009 and some is about admits for the Fall 2010. You must read it carefully to determine if it’s about a 2009 or 2010 admit.</p>
<p>To add to one of my posts on this original thread, at the time of orientation the Dean of the HHC seemed to indicate that there would be fewer admits this year (Fall 2010).</p>
<p>Do you have any information about what it takes to be admitted Spring? Is it strictly based on GPA in first semester classes? Any reason not to apply should one qualify after the first semester?</p>
<p>Tulare–from the Hutton website</p>
<p>"AFTER STARTING AT IU</p>
<p>Students who do not enter the Hutton Honors College as incoming freshmen may still be eligible for admission if their academic work during their first semester at IU is outstanding. After completion of that semester, you may ask that your record be reviewed if you are interested in participating in Hutton Honors College courses and programs. To be considered for admission at that time, you must have completed, during your first full semester at IU, a minimum of 14 graded academic credits (grades of S for Satisfactory will not be counted), and you must have maintained a 3.7 GPA."</p>
<p>I also think one of the frequent posters here, Maxellis maybe, talked about doing that at some point. Maybe he/she will post about the experience.</p>
<p>I was not directly admitted to HHC, but got in after the first semester.</p>
<p>At the end of January, after completeing my first semester w/ a GPA of 3.7+ and 14+ credits, they sent me an email inviting me to “apply” to the Hutton Honors College. Everyone who met the requirements and filled out the form attached to the email was accepted.</p>
<p>If you want to get in, just make sure you take 14 or more credits and get a GPA of 3.7 or higher.</p>