More on unpleasant behavior from HS grads

<p>I’d love to see that pamphlet, calmom, can you find a source for it online?</p>

<p>In my case, I don’t appear to have a surly teen separator (yet); what’s happening with him is more that he’s experimenting with a laid-back-ness that he didn’t allow himself for his years in HS. This attitude, coupled with his turning 18 and his college sending everything (including the bills) to the students and not their parents, led me to inform him that he would henceforth be in charge of ensuring the schedule was met. I am one of the world’s champion organizers, and am always on top of what has to be done by when and how early to start on it to ensure timely completion, so it’s been difficult for <em>me</em>. Thus far this summer, he’s missed one deadline but it has a fall-back option, and I’ve been <em>so</em> good about not reminding him about things to put on his to-do list, even when I’ve had to bite my knuckles to keep from saying/typing something by way of a reminder…</p>

<p>Too bad he can’t find the checks he was given as graduation presents. :frowning: (I will admit there was one thing I <em>insisted</em> he do promptly, which needed some parental nagging: writing the thank-yous for the now-missing graduation checks. Too bad I didn’t insist that he deposit them quickly. Sigh.)</p>

<p>According to several high schools, more kids get into trouble that last month of school, than the entire senior year. The old senioritus, senior pranks, the attitude, the celebrations, the last hurrah. So of course, the attitude is going to leak through at home as well. </p>

<p>I have found that the summer between high school and college is a difficult one for house rules. My kids were 18 by then, so legally adults but mentally still very much children. And just because they were feeling their oats did not mean that the whole household was going to change. That was a difficult one for them to swallow. No, you cannot just go and not tell us where you are and with whom. No you cannot come in at any time in the night or morning. There are still rules while you live in the house and in my pocketbook. For some reasons, there are many kids who are pretty stupid about understanding these things. And as Sgiovinc1 says, things can get even worse the following summer after they get used to doing what they pleased and living in a way incompatible with others in the household. I still fight with some of the older ones about that one. I am still there mother and there are house rules even when they are 50 years old, I tell them, and the rules are similar to what any decent person should observe when they are guests at someone’s home, not just the parents. It is rude to come home, and make your room a terrible pig pen with hygiene standard waaay below that of the rest of the house. You can’t just come in at 4am waking us up as you open the door or keeping us up because we are worried as to where you are since you said you were just going to be gone for an hour or so. You don’t drink alcohol unless you are offered it. You tell us your schedule, not go as you please, and it is rude to turn into a vampire, sleeping all day and going out at night unless there is a good reason (a night job). You can’t sit and watch tv all night keeping others up. You have to watch your R rated language, shows, activities in a G rated household. You need to be considerate of others in the household. For some kids these lessons are hard learned. I have some still who don’t get it.</p>

<p>sgio: if your child wants to be treated as an adult, then give adult responsibilities - i.e., pay your own way - get a job, do your own laundry, pay for own clothes, get up on yourown to go towork, prepare your own meals, etc. That’s what a responsible adult has to do. I, too, came home after a year at college expecting to be “treated like an adult” and have no rules. My parents did this, and it sure worked! I didn’t want to be treated like an adult anymore!</p>

<p>momfromtexas-
Just hang in there! Our son was similarly moody and obnoxious last summer. I worried that he’d be incapable of setting an alarm, turning in a paper on time, meeting deadlines at college. He was moody and immature; I was anxious and hovering.
Now, having successfully finished one year at college, he’s a new improved model son. He’s shown himself, and us, that he’s capable of everyday life away from home and our relationship has improved.
I trust him more now and he’s respecting our ‘house rules’ without so much grumbling. Of course, he knows he’ll be able to flee in a few short months! :)<br>
Best of luck to you!</p>

<p>Thanks all,</p>

<p>The chicken he made turned out pretty good and he actually cleaned up the kitchen. Today though he was back to his negative self. He is out helping a neighbor move; she needs a teen to carry the heavy stuff and so he’ll make a few bucks. I need to sit down and make a plan with some our your great ideas because I can’t just spend the summer ignoring the kind of disrespectful attitude I’m receiving.</p>

<p>momfromtexas,
A few off the cuff suggestions:</p>

<p>Immediately: Make an appointment with your son. Sit down and discuss the next few weeks and the expectations you each have. Ask him what he thinks he will be needing from you. Articulate what you think you will need/expect from him. Tell him that you are sensing some disrespect and resentfulness and ask if he is aware of it. Address it together. Most likely you both want to have a positive relationship during the last few months before college, and that is a two-way street.</p>

<p>Short-term: In addition, set up a standing weekly or bi-weekly appointment with him during which you go over the week’s expectations and schedule, handle any college paperwork, address the “business” of life, and review the previous week. This will cluster the tasks and with both of you motivated to move through the agenda quickly, chances are things will be done efficiently. Don’t bring up these odds and ends at any other time during the week. If he needs to read course catalogs or something like that prior to your meetings, then agree that it needs to be done.</p>

<p>Transition: He is in a grey area between the busy last few weeks of high school and a big family trip. If he is a kid who does well with a daily routine, such as the school day routine, club meetings, deadlines, etc., he may be feeling a little lost and isolated. After 2 weeks, it may be getting to him. Or, he may be itching to do something productive (hence the chicken dinner recipe) but has become slothful and can’t motivate himself. The chicken project is a good sign that he’s ramping up again.</p>

<p>It sounds like a negative pattern has started to develop over the last couple weeks that needs to be addressed right away. It sounds as if you want to reverse the pattern and start having some positive interaction. Possibly he is the source of all of the negativity, but chances are you are playing off each other a little bit.</p>

<p>Did you make the arrangements with the neighbor or did she work out her needs with him directly? If my mom handled the whole thing and I really didn’t want to do it, but felt that I had no choice, then I’d feel resentful too, even if there was some money in it for me.</p>

<p>Have any manual labor projects? Exercise and perspiration are good attitude-changers. Digging holes is always good, planting small shrubs, etc. Clipping branches. If he likes to cook, that could be awesome for everyone. You could offer to clean up after him. It’s creative and fun, you get to spend time together, etc.</p>

<p>Our mom-ish behavior: We moms tend to carry a to-do list in our head and are quick to release a barrage of things that need doing upon seeing a beloved young one lying on a couch watching TV, especially if we know the pet’s bowl is empty. If every time we encounter our son in the house, we are in his face with a request, that is a problem. We don’t want to be a source of annoyance, we just want stuff done. We don’t want our footsteps to be cause for him to cringe and brace himself for a list of chores. We need to deliver the list of chores in as few words as possible, at one time, not drip-drip-drip throughout the day. It is so hard to stifle! If you can bear to do this, to help stop the cycle, use some aggressive praise and positive observations for a couple of days. Let him hear you praise the chicken to the neighbor. Force yourself to even go so far as saying, “oh it’s so good to see you relaxing and watching some of the shows you didn’t have time to watch during the school year”. Really lay it on in the next couple of days and see what happens. Maybe he was accustomed to positive feedback from peers and teachers at school, and now is being bathed in negative feedback regarding his attitude and chores not happening.</p>

<p>He may just 100% be in a separation/transition phase. Maybe for seniors, they feel a sense of loss right around graduation time, while for parents, we feel it more accutely when they matriculate at college. I don’t know. I do know that when my son and I discussed this a couple of weeks ago, he was trying to accept that high school was over and there were things that he had wanted out of the hs experience that never came to be and now would never happen. For me, I was questioning whether I had created the kind of home life that I had wanted for my family, if I had been a good enough mother to him, etc. We were both tearing up. It’s an emotional time of year.</p>

<p>My kid will be working at home for the summer, and has another couple of weeks before graduation. Gradually he is turning his thoughts to the summer which seems so long and lays out so enticingly before him. Maybe with the long family trip that is planned, your son is realizing that the time he has right now is pretty much “it” when it comes to living at home. After the long trip, he’ll be off to school.</p>

<p>Lastly, I have heard from several parents that when it’s time for freshman year to begin, although it is bittersweet, the parents and the student are more than ready for some space and some separation. Whether it’s moodiness or attitude or issues with staying out at night, the parents report that it is “time”. Sure hope this is true! I’m counting on it!</p>

<p>Hmmm it’s interesting to see all this from a parent’s POV</p>

<p>I personally, have got into a lot more arguments with my mom over the past two months than I did in two years before that! :eek: I really hope I haven’t made life too unpleasant for her :(</p>

<p>From what I can see, rudeness is the major issue at hand here. My mom said I’ve become really rude lately and I was utterly stunned by this accusation because generally I think I’m pretty polite and non confrontational. On talking to her after an argument, I found out that several things that I find absolutely OK are construed as ‘rudeness’ by her. I absolutely did not intend any of these things to be either rude or disrespectful - not only do I see any point in aimless teenage rebellion or lashing out pointlessly for some formeless adult space , but also I would never say anything to intentionally hurt her feelings. But there seems to be some kind of communication gap here - I could be more careful and avoid the expressions and mannerisms that she finds rude (even though I don’t) - but it’s like walking on eggshells. I don’t like the constraints that it involves - they seem stiff and unnatural. And I never know when I’ll inadvertantly blurt out another rude thing!</p>

<p>Another issue I have is on the matter of disagreement - these days I get the impression that my mom thinks that every matter on which I do happen to disagree with her (thankfully this doesn’t happen too often) is going to lead to some great dissent or rebellion. How do I convince her that this isn’t the case? We’ve disagreed before and it wasn’t like this!</p>

<p>I can understand that my sedentary habits and a certain laziness which manifests itself in not helping out enough around the house irks her - I’m working on that but it’s very hard :p</p>

<p>Nevertheless while I can’t see any apparent changes in myself, it’s obvious that something has changed. Have I really become more abrasive? I hate arguing with my mom -and I want to stop :(</p>

<p>Thankfully, things are still pretty good at home - my mom and I have a pretty special relationship and we really enjoy each other’s company. But obviously there are things which can be improved on - I want to make the most of the 2 months that I have with her before I leave for college and I want them to be as smooth and happy as possible!</p>

<p>What should I do?</p>

<p>All you moms and dads are lucky that your children are departing soon for college. I am encountering similar things with my just turned
18 year old son who will be a high school senior. He is so emotionally and socially ready to leave but has another year to endure in high school along with the SATs, college apps, AP classes, etc. Wish me luck in surviving another year.</p>

<p>I’m starting to think that this very situation comes up in every household with a just graduated kid. I know it’s happening in mine. </p>

<p>The biggest complaint I’m getting from my mother is that I “use this house as a flophouse”. I can see her point- it must seem like the only times I’m here are to eat and sleep. On the other hand, that’s really not the case- the problem is just that our schedules aren’t terribly complementary. She’s busy when I’m around, and I’m gone when she’s not busy. She doesn’t seem to realize just how important it is for me to be with my friends this summer. I realize that things are going to change and that some of my current friendships will be lost, and it really makes me feel like I need to enjoy them fully as long as they last. But I know that my family will always love me and I’ll always keep in contact with them. Right now it just seems like they can wait, and my friends can’t. </p>

<p>Like Sucharita, I often find myself being told that I’m rude and disrespectful when that wasn’t the intention at all. It’s difficult to avoid- what I see as an efficient method of communication when I’m on my way out, my mom sees as a rude and disrespectful brush off. </p>

<p>It really is a little bit like being trapped. We’re on the verge of running our own lives and managing ourselves, yet we still have to answer to our parents for another 2 long months. I’ve started to resent my curfew like never before, started to resent being asked to do anything because there are better, more interesting things to do, and started to resent that my parents want so much information about where I’ll be, when next year they’ll have none. I know it’s their job to keep tabs on me, but it does get pretty old and annoying. </p>

<p>I’d make sure your son gets a job. It’s good for both of you- he can make some money, you can have him out of your hair for a while, and he’ll be doing something productive. I would guess that almost all his friends would have jobs anyway. Besides that, from a new graduate’s point of view, I’d go easy on him. This is his last summer with his friends before things change, and it’s no wonder that he wants freedom. It’s a really confusing and crazy time for all of us. In some ways, I feel like I’m 6 years old again- going out to play every afternoon and begging to stay “just five more minutes”. One thing I do know is that it will get better, and we’ll eventually return to the somewhat more reasonable kids you know and love. </p>

<p>As for dropping him off mid-argument, I’m guessing that nothing brings an end to fighting like the last hug before you leave him at college. I don’t think either of you would be able to stay angry through that.</p>

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<p>Momfromtexas, this too shall pass. No, really, it will! :slight_smile: I didn’t believe it, either, but your almost-launched ds will get a whole lot better after he’s launched. You just need a strategy to get through this summer. </p>

<p>Find ways to get yourself out of the house. If you want to avoid tangling horns with your boy, stay out of the vicinity of his horns. Find things to do that will provide the much needed space for both of you to have a decent summer. </p>

<p>The restlessness that you see in him right now won’t go away (or, at least lighten up) until he’s out on his own. When my nephew was 18 and going through a particularly gnarly phase, my sister used to mentally prepare herself for her son’s return whenever he was at work or out with his friends. She would try to imagine what he could do to upset everybody in the house, and then, she’d plan in advance how she would respond to his behavior. At least, it took the ambush advantage away from him, and she was able to handle her own responses in a much more effective way.</p>

<p>Talking it into the ground with him will drive you nuts and make him resent you more. Lighten up on the control and let him be his prickly self because that’s probably all he can be until the day you drop him off at college. And, don’t be surprised the first time he calls just to hear your voice. :)</p>

<p>Mootmom - you’ll find California State Bar Pamphlet, “Kids & the Law”, here:
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<p>“When You Become 18: A Survival Guide for Teenagers” is here:
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<p>And as long as we’re over there, some of us could probably use,
Seniors & the Law — A Guide for Maturing Californian
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<p>Mom from Texas:
There is an up-side to this behavior. As one of my friends said when my S acted the same way last summer, “This is God’s way of making it easier for you to let go of him when he leaves for college.”
And truthfully, by the time Sept. came around I couldn’t wait to say good-bye.</p>

<p>One of the all time great lines I use on everyone from my H to my kids when they are consistently rude is “I don’t deserve that from you.” or “I don’t deserve to be talked to like that.” (If you really want to lay it on thick then you can extrapolate to the " I do alot for you. I love you…" blah blah…It usually works.</p>

<p>Sucharita and Elizabeth - Yes, yes…my D is behaving just like you two (what is the deal?) and it’s driving me crazy and maing for a not bery fun time around her. She takes up SO MUCH SPACE (emotionally and also in terms of MESS - it’s like Pig Pen moved back in…) …She is a slacker, too, these days and I guess what bothers me is that she wants me to treat her like an adult but is not willing to behave like one-to at least take care of her own mess, etc. But instead, she loafs and expects me to pick up after her and everyone else and when I call her on it, she does a slipshod job at best or is annoyed, resentful and rude. She almost bristles sometimes with hostility. I feel like, “Go work somewhere else for the summer. Who needs this?”</p>

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Absolutely true, and a variant on the developmentally earlier aphorism “God made babies so cute because otherwise you’d throw them out the window.”</p>

<p>Oh boy, were we ready for D to go to college at the end of that summer. It really is great now, though :)</p>

<p>Don’t know if any of you other moms are running into this issue, but I’m finding my own hormones now swinging unpredictably (ah…the approaching “change of life”), so when s starts his emotional attitude - wow, takes major self-control to not launch back at him! Somebody say HRT isn’t the answer…? Timing is unfortunate! My poor husband, dealing with the two of us!</p>

<p>I’m there, baby! I got bitten by a spider last week and my heart started racing and I felt very clammy and anxious and thought “Is this spider toxin, peri-menopause, hypertension, or a combination there-of?”<br>
Life just gets so confusing sometimes, no?</p>

<p>Oh no, Crash! Spider? Don’t mean to laugh at you… but, I’m laughing at myself too! I swear I sometimes feel as volatile as the teens we’re trying to coax toward maturity! And, yeah, racing heart, sweats - my, aren’t we an attractive bunch!</p>

<p>S1 is very very touchy these days. Acts so unlike himself. Sigh. I really think it is a cruel joke on the moms of the world that we are on a hormonal roller coaster at the same time the kids are on an emotional one, so crash and people I am with you! Bring on the Valium lick :slight_smile: !</p>

<p>I must admit that evening glass of wine never tasted so good - and, Tylenol PM is about the only way I get sleep when anxiety attacks hit!</p>

<p>Hey - I’ve got some really good ground kava from Tonga if anyone wants to come over and have a couple of bowls with me…</p>

<p>Calmom,
thanks for the articles. I printed the one on teens. Feel like I’m starting all over again with younger S. I think the anxiety of going across ****ry to start college is a very big deal. We were lucky because S had summer program, so there was little time to sit around. It was hard when many friends had left for school, and his began late. I think they need to prove they can do things for themselves and fight lingering feelings of dependence on Mom. Some kids, however, use their cells and call home daily from college. Seems there is a gender trend.
I guess I can understand why they are so eager to move into college, have no rules, and be treated like adults. At first, its great fun to live in a dorm and always have people available for study or fun. Later, it can feel claustraphobic and being home can be a treat. I also know that I could be a nag about due-dates, bills, neatness, haircuts,…so must have felt like freedom to get away from all that. I know eventually he’ll learn to do for himself, but some things will be lost or forgotten in the learning process.
As far as middle age hormones, ask your MD about Evista–its a synthetic hormone, and it worked great for me</p>