Mothers are usually more in tune with this than fathers.
Well then maybe that’s part of the problem.
(that’s such a TERRIBLE generalization and slap to fathers I must say!)
Since entire tomes have been written on the subject by learned people with more information than you or I, reasonable people are going to have to understand that a certain amount of generalization will appear in the few sentences used in blog posts.
Well, I guess I’m not a “reasonable” person because I will not accept the concept that fathers can step away from the responsibility of knowing their sons or daughters. After many of these shootings, the perpetrator’s family has been interviewed or made a statement. The person often interviewed is the father. Must be the “mother” is too distraught after failing at protecting her defective child…sheesh.
Uh-oh.
Someone has drawn an unsupported conclusion and/or made a faulty leap of logic.
And this is a classic example of why gun control advocates are their worst enemies (which is a good thing for people like me who favor strong background checks and the like, but who also want to protect each individual’s right to an effective self-defense).
People have figured out that extreme control advocates shout platitudes like “This needs to end” to completely different, unrelated scenarios. They never apply analytical skills to their own arguments, and people have learned that they do not take necessary distinctions, something policymakers must do, and what normal people does well.
This current shooting on a campus was a student shooting several others following an argument in a parking lot. Therefore, the only way to get the result of “This needs to end” is to confiscate all guns from all humans, including police and military because all humans get into arguments at some point and a certain percentage will decide to solve a disagreement with force, in this case, a gun.
What would be even more interesting if it comes to be that the student doing the shooting was in a defensive mode and was being attacked by the others. That scenario would mean the student was correct to try and save his own life instead of just standing there and getting his butt kicked. This is one possibility because all that is known so far is that there was an altercation.
Funny thing is… this is faulty logic, too, as is easily read from your post, because, well, there are plenty of mothers out there who are ‘defective’ too. (what a God-awful choice of words to use - defective). Absolutely no one wants to be labeled defective. But I’m less worried about the choice of word as I am about the attitude behind it.
Thanks for supporting my point.
I don’t understand what you are calling faulty logic, though. Are you saying that if their child is defective, their obligation stops at some point?
You’re placing all the blame on the child, where it could be the parent (I won’t just assign responsibility to the mother - it’s BOTH parents) who has a mental illness (the more appropriate term for ‘defective’).
When you wrote your sentence, you did not specify who the ‘they’ was.
The exact same way anyone can buy an sell any illegal, outlawed drug in any country on the planet - and this includes countries like Indonesia and Saudi Arabia where any drug trafficking, even in finest amounts, is punishable by death.
This silly belief that because something is not allowed that criminals and anyone else who wants that thing will not get it rather easily is why many do not take gun control advocate seriously.
See people are not as stupid as others think. Governments and law enforcement, in general, have yet to figure out how to stop illegal drugs and thus law-abiding people are not stupid enough to think that magically they will be able to stop guns. If you believe they will be able stop illegal guns, but not illegal drugs, then I have several beaches in the Sahara to sell you.
LOL, LucietheLakie ,
This thread is going in circles. I posted that info about Rep . Dickey a few days ago!
Parents have an obligation – I have no idea why this would be gender specific. But we have made it very difficult for parents to intervene. An adult cannot be required to seek diagnosis or treatment for a mental health issue, no matter how obvious it is to the people who know them best. Unless the person is a clear threat to themselves or others, parents are powerless. The parents of Gabby Gifford’s shooter tried mightily to get help for their son, and we all know how that ended. So we have problems with parents who abdicate all responsibility, and even teach and encourage gun use by what turns out to be a killer. And a system that prevents parents trying to live up to their obligations to their kids and society who are stymied from doing so.
Mothers are usually more in the picture. Fathers are often absent.
Well, the “child” does bear the blame in these acts.
The question is what responsibility did the mother have in getting treatment or appropriate attention for the kid?
ETA: “They” referred to the children.
I think I’m becoming “defective” reading this thread!!! (hands over ears and humming, “la la la!”)
Bowing out - no minds will be changed here.
Prayers for all families who have been or will be affected negatively by guns.
Thanks for supporting my point.
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Thanks for supporting my point. It’s very helpful when posters supply pertinent illustrations.
JOD,
Not buying that you are throwing out offensive terms like “defective” and targeting moms to then to claim you were in essence playing word games or providing yet more “critical reading exercises” for the lowly posters who actually write directly and say what they mean.
Yes, I know, I saw it. But that interview with him was from this morning.
I wish some of you could sit in the support groups I do, and hear older women lamenting that they can’t get help for their 40-something mentally ill children. Because of the privacy laws, they can’t even find out when their “child” is hospitalized unless the patient allows notification. And they sure can’t force treatment. Just yesterday, I went to a talk given by a man who patrolled the Golden Gate Bridge for many years and talked a lot of people out of committing suicide. A woman in the audience was practically begging the speaker for help - “How can I convince my 43-year-old son not to kill himself?”