Oh, apologies LucieTheLakie. Glad to see he is still voicing his apologies for his serious error in judgment.
@jym626 I’m not targeting anything. It’s a fact that “moms” have played a significant role in a number of these recent shootings.
Actually, “defective” would be one of the less offensive terms and references that have been used for shooters like this.
Redirection attempts like this are one of the things which send threads off course.
There are “defective” (nice word, BTW) people everywhere, including the rest of the developed world. And yet somehow, the defectives in those places don’t end up blowing other people away.
ETA – But if you’re going to blame the defectives and their parents for gun deaths, I assume you support reinvesting in the mental health system which has been catastrophically defunded beginning in 1981.
Thats simply not true about moms. Thats hyperbole. Two of the shooters (OR and Sandy Hook, I assume you refer to) had moms who were apparently “gun nuts”. Where were the dads? And what about the shooter in Louisiana, The one who shot Gabby Giffords in Tucson, , the Charleston Church, The Chattanooga recruitment center shooter, the Isla Vista shooter? His parents tried multiple ways to get their son help. The Texas shooter who killed a friend of mine at a VA facility probably had PTSD. Thats not his mother’s doing.
Annoying quips about people needing lessons in critical reading, also derail threads. Most will simply ignore condescending comments.
Of course he will invent a scenario and say he feared for his life. It’s what got George Zimmerman his free pass. It’s that or life in prison.
For those of you who, like me, attended college when dinosaurs roamed the earth, did you know anyone who had a gun in their possession on campus?
Good grief, no.
I think I saw a gun once on campus.
“Of course he will invent a scenario and say he feared for his life. It’s what got George Zimmerman his free pass. It’s that or life in prison.”
Luckily, 3 of the victims survived so we should find out the real story. Nevertheless, I’m sure shooters attorney will give an alternate explanation.
Guns when I was in college? Absolutely not. A generation who saw body bags every night on the evening news had no interest in anything but peace, love and rock and roll when I was in college.
This is just some of the gossip nonsense I have been talking about.
Let me get this straight - this poster is actually recommending starting at points, which have already been done, for years in fact? Kind of tells us that this poster has not a clue what the lay of the land is on this issue.
The fact that this post #661 got 5 likes shows the false narratives people are living in.
Already the law in all 50 states.
Do you all not know that even the dealers at gun shows must all have federal licenses to be at the show???
http://thefederalist.com/2015/10/07/7-gun-control-myths-that-just-wont-die/
Already the law in all 50 states.
No dealer can sell a gun without doing a background check or without verifying a person’s CCP if he has one or verifying his federal permit to purchase a firearm.
For example, I can buy a gun at a gun show without going through another background check because I have a current concealed carry permit that can be verified. No need for me to go through a check again, until that CCP is expired. If cannot be verified, not allowed to purchase. (See link above)
Already the law in all 50 states.
Do you all not know that even when you purchase a gun thorough the Internet that the gun is not shipped directly to purchaser, but has to go through another licensed dealer, and that the purchaser is subject to the same background check as if you bought it in a store???
http://www.wikihow.com/Buy-a-Gun-Online
Have no idea what direct sales at gun shows even means given the fact that all sales at gun shows are subject to the same federal background check as in any gun store.
Oh, exactly how are you going to do that? Snoop on everyone 24/7?
Law enforcement has not been able to stop “direct one on one sales of [illegal drugs] between people,” so exactly how would you stop two people from engaging in a private one on one gun transaction, even if you make that transaction illegal?
Some states, three of them I think, have instituted universal checks of some sort and make this type of transaction illegal. But, here is your problem, no criminal or anyone who wants a gun to commit a crime need abide because they are criminal and do not care.
So this law does nothing at all except make the law abiding guy who wants a gun do the exact same thing he would do at the gun store or gun show. Thus, the law does nothing to stop illegal gun sales - absolutely nothing.
And you will note that all the mass shootings and the current shootings, which are all the rage have been done with guns bought legally and where the person did go through and pass a federal background check.
Actually, if this policing of all private transitions were possible. this would represent a “be careful what you wish for” situation because when this level of private transaction scrutiny is possible, then restaurant servers better watch out because then every dime of cash tips could be known to the government as well, and tax evasion would be become their biggest problem.
I don’t recall anyone, ever, in undergrad or grad school ever even talking about firearms. It was a non-issue.
Here’s a random thought: More shooters seem to have surfaced with greater availability of researching past mass murderers, nazis, killing methods, etc, and posts manifestos on line, on facebook, etc. No more handwritten letters like the unabomber. Seems that the easy ability to of research information combined with the opportunity for instant “notoriety” may be a contributory factor.
Sorry, no. Private sales (which don’t require background checks) are legal in many states. Forty percent of gun sales are private sales.
Can I assume that you want to close this loophole, awc?
This is silliness. Right now, since private sales are legal, a criminal who wants a gun can buy it from a law-abiding citizen in a legal sale. But unlike criminals, law-abiding citizens obey the law. And most people are not criminals. So if it were illegal to sell a gun privately, then law-abiding citizens wouldn’t do it. The criminal wanting a gun would have a tougher time finding a person to sell him a gun, because he’d have to find another criminal.
Yes, I really am going to blame the defectives. Despite all the hyperbole and fantasy, we’ve never seen one of the evil guns do it without assistance. As for the parents, I am asking questions that have to do with whatever blame they might play. If it makes you feel better, you can talk about the fathers all you want, but that’s not part of what I’m asking.
Yes, the mental health system needs more funding, unfortunately, I don’t think there’s enough money to solve the problems that mental health presents. Basic (solvable) medical issues can bankrupt most families and mental health issues even more. Since the majority of people continue to behave niggardly with “their” money, maybe it’s possible that the curse of random violence is the price born by everyone.
Map which shows states that required background checks for private sales and states which do not.
Back to the old “guns don’t kill, people do” mantra? Cars don’t kill, people driving them do, which is why we have regulations on how old a driver must be, how much training they must have to get a learners permit, take/pass a written and practical test, sometimes multiple times, before getting a license, and then follow rules to avoid penalties (tickets, points, fines, etc) or possibility temporarily or permanently lose their license. And the cars have been required to meet multiple safety requirements. All these are good models for gun ownership.
Straw man argument, equating private gun sales (and assume you mean transaction, not transition) to restaurant server tips.
Why shouldn’t private gun sales be like private car sales? I can sell a car privately, but I still have to complete certain required government paperwork to transfer ownership and liability. Why shouldn’t gun owners have to do the same? People should have liability for crimes committed with guns they own.
An excellent point, which I would think would appeal to the “personal responsibility” crowd.
Emilybee’s map in #814 shows that only 10 states require background checks for all gun purchases.