<p>Question for all the Spitzer supporters: What part of the oath of office do you people not get? What he did was ILLEGAL, AGAINST THE LAW, CRIMINAL.</p>
<p>No do-overs.</p>
<p>Of course, public humiliation in impeachment hearings and all that goes with it will certainly get things straightened out in Albany.</p>
<p>"Like what? " Going after the greedy firms on Wall Street. These firms advice the companies and sell the debt and shares of these companies to investors without realizing that they have a conflict of interest problem, basically its a win win situation for these Wall Street firms. </p>
<p>Going after organized crime, etc. </p>
<p>He probably did these things to further his career, but a lot of good came out these battles.</p>
<p>2cakes, then he should be charged… What I am saying is that if he is not charged by the FEDS he should continue to be the Governor</p>
<p>"Going after organized crime, etc. "</p>
<p>That was before he was governor. Can you name any accomplishments in the first 15 months?</p>
<p>Allen Dershowitz says someone “dropped a dime” on Spitzer and he should not neccessarily resign. </p>
<p>Gee, that changes the $15K he’s spent with Emperor’s Club in the last 6 months…</p>
<p>Better they dropped a dime to law enforcement than to Spitzer, himself, making demands of one sort or another.</p>
<p>He should have lied about this sex scandal…he coulda kept his job.</p>
<p>“He should have lied about this sex scandal…he coulda kept his job.”</p>
<p>But here on Planet Earth, the scandal is about money laundering and dealings with organized crime. Planet Lax is the only place where sex is the issue.</p>
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<p>On planet lax I just go on facts…on planet zooser you go on “feelings” and “heresay.” Please link me to the organized crime he is involved in, and the money laundering. I don’t want heresay either, if such things took place then surely the attorneys office is planning on charging him with such crimes right? Charges against the NY governor, brought by attorneys, are surely to make the news…these links shouldn’t be too hard to find.</p>
<p>To call this: “He should have lied about this sex scandal…he coulda kept his job.” Is utterly surreal.</p>
<p>Lax you can read the complaint. That will clear up your obvious confusion. Good luck and I hope you calm down and find some peace because the level of hysteria is disproportionate.</p>
<p>I read the complaint…you obviously haven’t. It’s clear your avoiding the issue because you know there are no facts to back up your claims. He hasn’t been charged with money laundering OR being involved in organized crime. You saying he has is irresponsible. I’ll ask again, please link me with the organized crime and money laundering charges that were brought against him :)</p>
<p>"I’ll ask again, please link me with the organized crime and money laundering charges that were brought against him "</p>
<p>Link me to where I said there were. You can’t because I didn’t, and I have read the complaint. The difference is that I understand it and you clearly don’t. Your obsession with the former president is truly bizarre and, frankly, disturbing. At one point today I was going to jokingly post to you “Hillary is that you?” but your posts have long passed the point of being amusing.</p>
<p>You said he should be removed from office because of his money laundering and dealings with organized crime. I figured you had facts to back these up (or do you simply want to remove him from office because you “feel” he commited such crimes) but I guess that was asking too much…I’m sure your gut instinct is awesome though. </p>
<p>I asked why prostitution was wrong, you said it wasn’t the prostitution…it was the money laundering/organized crime. So…if it is these 2 things then I’m assuming you have evidence to back this up, and since these two crimes are illegal I’m sure charges have been brought against the governor for them. But they haven’t been brought, possibly because (gasp) he didn’t commit such crimes!</p>
<p>It doesn’t look to me like Spitzer broke the oath of office, although that’s probably a matter of NY state law. But that’s not why I think he should resign. He should resign because the scandal is so big and so thoroughly undermines his whole persona that he can no longer do the job effectively.</p>
<p>Others have pointed out some legal and ethical distinctions between Bill Clinton’s perjury and Spitzer’s whoring (even though both are condemnable and both carried/will carry serious consequences). I’ll add a political distinction: the political impact of official wrongdoing can differ based on whether voters view it as a betrayal of what the official stands for. Spitzer’s whole campaign pitch was about his role as a prosecutor cleaning up criminal conspiracties. His behavior here puts a dagger through the heart of that pitch. In contrast, Bill campaigned on a platform of youthful energy, economic reform, a departure from the “culture wars,” etc. People had a pretty clear idea in 1992 that Bill (1) liked trashy women and (2) tried to keep them on the down low. I remember disgust, disappointment, and anger among Clinton voters when the scandal first broke. But I do not remember hearing, or feeling, the kind of shock that Spitzer voters were expressing yesterday.</p>
<p>Another political difference between Eliot and Bill is that a change of administrations in Albany has fairly local consequences – i.e., it’s not going to affect California or even Connecticut very much. But taking down the leader of the free world carries the potential for global upheaval. So I’m a lot more comfortable calling for the resignation of a governor than a president, even given identical crimes.</p>
<p>“there are better ways to make money”</p>
<p>Than being a high-end call girl? Sure, but there are worse ways, too. There are plenty of noble, honest jobs it would break my heart to see my sister do.</p>
<p>Yesterday on the radio someone called Bill a “loveable rogue” as opposed to Eliot.</p>
<p>For the record, Mr. Spitzer has not been convicted of anything, but the allegations set forth are so serious (and undenied, I might add) as to make him unfit for office. Had he denied the allegations set forth in the complaint and accompanying affiidavits, I would encourage the benefit of the doubt, but that is not the case. The prostitution ring at issue is an international and sophisticated group, thus the “organized” portion of the crime. The documents speak for themselves as do Mr. Spitzer’s statements. It’s a shame that you are so emotionally invested in former president Clinton’s marriage, because most people have let that go, but everyone else on this thread is capable of reviewing the documents and the posts herein and have been very clear about the point I’m making. Therefore YOU are the problem and I’m not interested in being further involved in your psychodrama.</p>
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<p>For the record you’re really reaching on this “organized crime.” Spitzer wasn’t involved in anything to do with this club w/ the exception of benefiting from the prostitution. He cannot and WILL NOT be tied to organized crime, because he didn’t take part in what constitutes organized crime. You are simply wrong in this aspect. If he was involved in organized crime or money laundering then charges would be coming forward from federal prosecutors. Unfortunately none have been brought. I think he should resign because he broke the law (prostitution) but there’s no way in hell he’s involved in organized crime. It’s a shame that your bias is getting in the way of this. I’ll ask a THIRD time, please show me where he’s being connected to organized crime, or money laundering.</p>
<p>Also, he has not been convicted NOR CHARGED with anything…I wonder why that is?</p>
<p>“Spitzer wasn’t involved in anything to do with this club w/ the exception of benefiting from the prostitution”</p>
<p>I’m so glad you understand! Have a great night.</p>
<p>PS. On Planet Earth, organized crime (particularly when spelled without initial caps), is not like the Sopranos.</p>
<p>Why haven’t charges been brought concerning his connection with organized crime? Is it possible that the federal prosecutors involved in the case know more about it than zoosermom? Should I take their word or yours…hmmm I’ll take theirs, despite what you claim to “know.”</p>
<p>PS. 20 minutes of research would have given you a brief yet satisfactory understanding of organized crime laws and how they were used in the past…including previous cases. Ignorance is bliss though</p>
<p>Why don’t YOU go back and re-read what I actually posted because you are clearly confused. As far as charges, who knows? I never said anything about charges so you are clearly confusing me with someone else. It’s also very early in the situation and it has not been stated that no charges WILL be brought. My point was actually the same as yours, which is what I agreed to in the prior post. That’s what makes your attacks on me so surreal.</p>
<p>I’m not going to respond to you anymore and shame on you for ruining an entertaining thread with some very bizarre and disturbing posts.</p>
<p>“Spitzer wasn’t involved in anything to do with this club w/ the exception of benefiting from the prostitution”</p>
<p>From a general criminal law perspective…</p>
<p>A conspiracy is an agreement to commit a crime or to facilitate the commission of a crime. When you get on the phone with a booker and you arrange that she will provide a prostitute from whom you will buy sex at such and such a place and time, you’re a conspirator, even if you aren’t making money from it.</p>
<p>Organized crime doesn’t have to mean the Mafia (I don’t think that’s been suggested here). It just means an ongoing criminal enterprise involving multiple persons. That’s DEFINITELY alleged in the indictment.</p>