<p>So I should still take Calc and math subject at CC though? The B I got hurts my science GPA, and I’m afraid any failure in my part will lead to another B, and then I’ll just be screwed. Big time. So calculus at CC (or any math for that matter)?</p>
<p>Without going back through all the pages, I forget what your options are at your high school. I would take the most classes you can at your high school so you don’t mess up your GPA. Maybe retake the class with the B at the CC to try to improve that grade?? Again, until you talk to your guidance counselor, it’s really hard to say which is better. If you can take all of your senior year classes at your high school and they will still mark most rigorous, do that. I’m guessing that since they don’t offer AP’s that taking honors will give you the rigorous check mark.</p>
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<p>I thought you got the B in math. If so, that won’t hurt your science GPA. If it was a science class, then it is what it is.</p>
<p>Is Calc available at your high school? If so, take it there and it won’t affect any GPA. It can just be a “warm up” for your “real” class when you get to your 4 year school. Med schools frown upon any pre-req completed at a cc and Calc is a pre-req. More are forgiving of Calc than one of the sciences, but it’s still not ideal.</p>
<p>If you can’t take it at your high school, how about an accredited class from FLVS or similar? AP is ok. CC/DE is not when it comes to med schools and GPA, etc.</p>
<p>FWIW, one or two Bs won’t screw you. Look at Table 24 again. Not many have 3.8 - 4.0 for their GPA. However, you certainly want more As than anything else. An A- or B will happen along the way. Learn from them rather than dwelling on them and keep plugging along.</p>
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<p>This might not look all that great from a medical school admissions standpoint. First, you’ll be repeating college courses, which does not look good. Second, any non-A grades will be counted anyway for medical school admissions GPA, even if you later repeated the courses for A grades.</p>
<p>Now, if you get an A grade in the DE course, and then take more advanced courses in the subject at a four year school and get A grades in them, then that may be fine for medical school admission purposes. But if you may get non-A grades or repeat the course later, that may look questionable – in this case, high school (including AP/IB/etc.) courses are preferred over DE courses.</p>
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<p>That is ‘win-win’. The easier (juco) A is validated by the more rigorous A, and both are used to calculate the math-science GPA.</p>
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<p>Exactly. Do not repeat a course unless the grade is lower than a C. Take upper division courses instead, and ace them.</p>
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<p>I’ve read online that math classes are included in the science GPA. Can someone please clarify this?</p>
<p>^^^ You may be right here and probably are if you saw it online. I’ve kind of “retired” from keeping up on things since I got my pre-med kiddo into college. I figure at this point, his med school advisers take over.</p>
<p>The bottom line I remember from the med school admissions folks (not undergrad admissions, but when they actually had med school admissions people giving talks to high school students & parents), is to not take ANY pre-req at a cc to not have any nicks on an application, so we worked our schedule accordingly. No Bio, Chem, OChem, Physics or Calc at a cc by my guy. Microbio was fine according to them, but it will count into his science GPA.</p>
<p>They also suggested not skipping Bio and Chem weeder courses via AP credits even if an undergrad school lets a pre-med major do so (most won’t). If you skip Calc, you’ll end up needing to take other, higher, math credits for med schools that require it.</p>
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<p>Well not really, but that is not the correct question. Med schools look the cum GPA and the BCPM GPA, which stands for Bio, Chem, Physics & Math; and only courses --or similar courses as identified by the undergrad college – in those subjects. Stats taught in a Econ Dept, for example, will usually count for a math course, particularly if the college major requires that specific Stat class. OTOH, Engineering courses don’t count for BCPM.</p>
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<p>That is literally impossible for a juco transfer who wants to major in science at the 4-year Uni. UCDavis requires that Bio transfers, for example, complete Organic at the judo. (Yeah, not recommended by med schools, but that’s the transfer rule.)</p>
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<p>Why will I be considered a transfer? I’m still in high school, and don’t think I have enough credits to be considered a transfer…</p>
<p>The AP exam is what matters (the course itself only counts as a “rigorous” schedule, basically taking the hardest classes offered) and if you pass it and it fits the policies of the institution in question, then the credits are identical to a dual-enrollment/dual-credit course that you took with a local university or community college.</p>
<p>I took eight AP exams and passed seven. Of those seven, I received twenty credits from my university (8 from Bio- 2 classes- 4 from AP Gov, 4 from AP Lit, and 4 from AP Stats; the others double counted- ex: AP US and AP Gov overlapped). I also took a dual-credit course. It was half a year, taught by a high school teacher and gave me three credits. The DC class was one of the easiest As I’ve ever received in a “college” class. Those AP exam scores were exceptionally painful to earn. But to the college, they are nearly or are equivalent.</p>
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<p>Correct. You will apply as a Frosh, not a transfer.</p>
<p>(I was just responding to Creekland’s post, which was generic, and did not address your specific situation.)</p>
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<p>In general, students starting at CC to transfer into biology majors at four year schools need to take the pre-med courses at CC, since they happen to be the lower division prerequisites for transferring into biology majors. However, they will be taking many upper division biology courses at the four year school that they transfer to.</p>
<p>Even non-biology pre-meds starting at CC may need to take some pre-med courses at CC, since cramming in the pre-med course work as well as upper division major course work into two years after transfer to a four year school would be rather tight scheduling (especially when trying to complete some earlier before the MCAT).</p>
<p>^^^ We never visited nor talked with any CA med schools, so they may indeed look at things differently. However, we made our plan based upon the med school admissions folks we listened to here in the east and midwest. It was not merely one person giving us that advice. From having been on college confidential for a while I, personally, feel the community colleges in CA might be a tad higher caliber than those in the east. Perhaps not. I have no experience with them at all.</p>
<p>The med school admissions folks we listened to told us cc pre-reqs weren’t the kiss of death - they allowed some leeway for them for students who decided later in life to do med school (vs the current high school students/parents they were talking to), but taking those classes when starting pre-med leaves a big nick on the application if they have others they are considering without them and it’s all based upon the perception that those students purposely chose the perceived easier way - a trait they didn’t want.</p>
<p>I should probably have noted it was private med schools who said this. The one state med school did not address it. I’m not against state med schools in the least. In our planning we just opted to not burn bridges, so made plans accordingly.</p>
<p>It’s also possible they were just saying that and didn’t really mean it. Who knows? I’m not risking it.</p>