Nate Silver: Go to a state school (opinion)

Ivy refers to an athletic league. None of those other schools are in the Ivy League.

Everyone gets a trophy.

If someone wants to call their school a “public ivy” or “little ivy,” then I’ll let them. I don’t care.

From the Wikipedia page:

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However, Harvard (+ other super selective colleges with equivalent financial aid) is relatively small compared to state universities. So the 24% or so from below median income families with cooperating parents (as opposed to divorced parents still fighting their divorce) is a small number of students compared to state universities.

For individual students choosing colleges, the super selective colleges will reject most of them anyway, so they do not have a choice. The few who do can then compare such a college and cost of such with other colleges they were admitted to.

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I’m a big proponent of going to an in-state flagship especially if it’s very good for the intended major. Many many high achieving students in CA don’t even bother applying to the Ivys because we have excellent UC and CSU options particularly in the STEM fields. I advocate for the UCs to all my friends not because the Ivys are getting worse or any political/cultural arguments. The state schools just have a better ROI.

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It may depend on which state school. Some have Pell Grant percentages in the Ivy League range, while others have extremely high Pell Grant percentages.

Racial or ethnic diversity (or lack thereof) may or may not be similar to the region or state that the state school is in.

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But note that some states’ state universities are less affordable for in-state residents. Pennsylvania and northeast states, which seem to be well represented among posters here, are examples.

Interactive Map - The Institute for College Access & Success may be of interest here.

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Interesting report. I guess CA residents need to be even more thankful to have the UC/CSU system given the disparities. But even for those expensive states, it looks like the state schools do a pretty good job. From the report:

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But note that $35k exceeds the federal direct loan limit that undergraduate students can borrow without a cosigner.

Yet another reason I am glad to live in NY–city and state.

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When I saw this list this morning, I immediately felt the CC community could have easily crowd-sourced this list. But, it is biased toward med-large institutions. A lot of small-medium schools under 5,000 could make up a third list of 10 if not 20-30.

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I’ve been saying that since I joined CC almost 10 years ago. It’s nice to be proven right :grin:

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I am aware the Ivy League is a sports league. I have been aware of that for 50 years.

I am also aware that when a school is referred to as an “Ivy” it is rarely in reference to sports. Calling other schools little or public Ivies is a reference to academics

But I think everyone here knows that. :wink:

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Why the need to glom on to the Ivy League? Validation?

How many t-shirts can I put you down for?
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That’s a joke, which is fine. It’s not a coping mechanism. :wink:

It’s a commonly known nickname that has been around for 40 years to reference a specific set of schools. It has nothing to do with validation-just a widely known shorthand reference to a group of schools with ivy-like academic rigor (actually the publics are probably more academically rigorous at this point) and very low acceptance rates.

Take a look at the list of schools included in the nickname. Maybe you can suggest another less triggering name?

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Almost Ivies…

America’s Flagship Public Universities
(I’m just suggesting the rest of the book title the name came from).

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I have zero need for validation or coping mechanisms. Not even sure what I am supposedly “coping with”. :rofl:

I also do not make remarks about anyone’s kids being accepted/not accepted anywhere because that is rude.

FWIW - neither of my kids had any interest in applying to ivies.

I am done discussing this.

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D21’s CA public school made the “public ivy” list.

So both D18 and D21 went to “public ivies.”

Ahh, the validation is so sweet. :rofl:

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