And also, keep in mind I have no idea what the “yes” means. Maybe 218 will be the cut for commended scholar, and SF will be higher. Won’t know until September.
Screwing up one school district, does not mean CB makes up by releasing cut off data before Sept 2016.
CB screwed up the whole nation with their tables already
@ailinsh1 Did you mean that scores EQUAL TO and above 118 had a "yes?
@dallaspiano, I’m not suggesting our school district got any special information or special treatment. I’m just saying that the fact that I now have this information does not indicate it is new by any means, because we have been late in getting ANY information at all. I assume that the same type of teacher report that she is referencing was sent to all schools, but we’re just now getting it. And I don’t know that the “yes” means NMSF … maybe it just means in the range for NMSF, with the final cut # to be released later. Calm down. You’ll either get it or you won’t, and you’ll know in September. What would knowing now do for you, other than perhaps cause you to focus your college search on schools that give a lot of $$$ to NMSF? But if you are borderline, you can look at that anyway. And my guess is that if you are borderline you probably have test scores that would qualify you for great scholarships anyway, because NMSF is really not that big a deal at a lot of schools, and many schools that offer a lot of $$ to NMSF also offer a lot of $$ to students with good scores and GPA. That’s the approach we’re taking … okay, so NMSF might be an avenue for $$ … let’s look at those schools as well… The filter on colleges is wide open right now; it will neck down between now and August, as she researches schools, we do visits, etc…
Here’s what I got, “She said the 218’s and above had yeses next to their names in her full teacher’s report, and 217’s and under had nos.” So yes, >=218.
@ailinsh1, I am not emotionally disturbed by your 218.
BTW, I am happy to know your D do well even I do not know her
BTW, I am very calm by researching results from the past, coolly coming out with numbers and calculations
BTW, everybody body in CC thread care for their kids’ college search or their own search, your suggestion is unnecessary
@ailinsh1…thank you for the information. Who in the school should get this information? GC or Principal? Ours just may not know what information they have in their hand. Any and all information is appreciated! Thank you again.
@dallaspiano, your calculations for 211 being 99th percentile does not reflect the fact that Cobb county data has already shown that the mean SI nationally is higher, without any clue as to what the SD might have been. Another point, national trends (curve) do not have to resembles student performance in Maryland. As we have known, SI cutoffs for Maryland trend far higher than average, thus, at higher end of the scale, the distribution of Maryland student looks nothing like the average for the nation.
Yes, in this CC thread we are discussing the very very top scores to the Right of the curve.
Cobb data is not strange at all, since in TX we have TAMS, St. John, St. Mark and etc…
OHToCollege, I did look at MD data specifically, not in general
@ailinsh1 – thank you so very much for sharing the information! Given this tidbit, it will be interesting to see
if MD comes out at 218.
Yes, but your calculations are based on mean and SD for national and not MD specific. MD may have completely different mean and variability, especially at higher end.
The report fields for PSAT that schools receive are listed here, the Yes indicator may be college readiness, but strange if only SI >218 have it marked at Yes!
https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/pdf/data-layout-psat-nmsqt-psat-10-esr.pdf
Pls, read again #3437 …“MD Mean is lower Nat Mean (2013-2014) by ~2points”,
BTW, is this strange https://kdcollegeprep.com/about-us/classof2015/?
Look at the very bottom line
When you’re talking “different mean and variability, especially at higher end.”, you are talking about Statistical Math
As a teacher with access to my students’ College Board spreadsheet, I believe you are getting incorrect information from your English teacher. True, there is a “yes/no” column on the spreadsheet entitled “National Merit Eligible?”. However, eligibility has NOTHING to do with performance. International students and sophomores all have “N”'s next to their names. ALL American juniors have “Y”'s next to their name regardless of the SI. For example, our school has a student with a 174 SI who has a Y next to her name for “National Merit Eligible?”
As @ailinsh1 reported - the English teacher told her child she was likely an NMSF - so the teacher must have gotten something that helped her make that connection. The states know of course how many students scored at each SI so maybe there are indications (though not yet definitive by the national Merit corp) that districts are using to make judgments about students likely to make the cut. Test Masters and Compass and maybe others predict 218 as the cut off for MD. Prep scholar is predicting 220.
Didn’t mean to offend @dallaspiano; you seemed upset, implying that certainly your teacher mom would have known about such information, and somehow our school district got early access to information not widely available, when I had clearly said that whatever information we have now was likely just information we should have had a month+ ago, but were delayed in receiving.
DD just got home; yes, she just got her paper report distributed today, and that was the impetus for the conversation with the teacher. As to who would have the equivalent report at any given school, I’d say start with the guidance office. DD’s AP English teacher just happens to be the teacher who distributes report cards, prepped them for the PSAT (the one-period of prep they did), and gives back the score reports; that’s just the way our school handles it now.
Yes, everyone handles the college search differently and has different priorities. Personally, I don’t see the value in speculating about NMSF cutoffs beyond knowing generally where they are likely to be and if you might be in the running. But living in MD, where the cutoff is generally high, it is a roll of the dice anyway whether you qualify or not, and not something I’ve ever encouraged my kids to stress over. If they make it, great! If not, no biggie. DD will not even be taking the SAT unless she makes the cut; the chaos with the PSAT this year has only solidified my goal of sending CB as little $ as possible, because the whole thing is such a sham. I’ve dabbled in the PSAT threads only because of the problem with the score release and to get a feel for where the cutoff might be. I know some people really enjoy the prognostication and stats of it all, and that’s great; it’s not for me, though.
It is entirely possible the teacher is misinterpreting something on the report. I’m passing on here-say information. Heavy grain of salt, and wait and see.
@ailinsh1 …no worries we are all doing that. Good luck to your DD.
@ailinsh1,
I do not mean to offend you either. You made mistakes twice already. I am cool and very cool with your assumptions “calm down” then “upset”. If you read my posts, I like to deal with numbers not drama, twist or turn by anecdotes. The fact I am answering you is to clarify and to respect you fully. I never say you made up story just perplex about 218 and AP English teacher report. You are fully aware that we are talking cut off in this CC thread
I enjoy hearing any and all of these tidbits we get from folks on here and I really hope that those who report these tidbits are not run off by any perceived or real negativity! Over and out!
@OHtoCollege Thanks for the helpful info on the data layout for the score report. I wonder if the teacher was being precise about the “yes” and “no” because I saw many fields in which Y=Yes and BLANK=No. The only ones I spotted (there may be others) that had both “yes” and “no” answers were 825 and 826, the Reading/Writing and Math benchmark indicators. And I guess there would be two yes/no’s, not one. Thinking about it logically, though, I lean towards what @CCMom16 said, because it would be so easy for a person to misinterpret national merit eligibility as being about the score instead about whether a student is a junior and a US citizen.