National Merit Cutoff Predictions Class of 2017

Seems like traditionally lower scoring states went up and highest states moved down. But at what old SI did that happen? Was 220 the pivot point? 221?

wow- 223. We are out of the running then. Good luck to all who are still waiting for scores!

Congrats @MomMN17! Thanks for checking in!

Are known cutoff scores so far higher than what Art has predicted? Appears so to me.

Congrats! @MomMN17 Hope this year’s cutoff for MN will be lower than IL, in the past, two states’ scores are always very close.

@PrimeNumber2 Yes :frowning:

@PrimeNumber2 - We don’t really have many firm numbers for most states. We know qualifying scores but not that many cutoffs

Dont we only know cutoffs for like 2 or 3 states so far?

It seems DD made it in NJ with SI 225 with Art 223 highest cutoff

I believe IL is the only state with a known cutoff so far.

we know the top score as well and that Kansas is looking higher than the lower range. IL does not bode well cutoffs on the lower end of the predicted range.

Update from Art (just now):

Update 8/29 11:40PM EDT
** Correction
The highest cutoff nationally has been confirmed via a principal at NO MORE THAN 223. I misstated it earlier this evening as equal to 223. It’s still possible that it will be lower. No students at the school with 221/222, so we can’t use it to establish the cutoff. I should know better.

OK, so I guess I’m not out of the running yet. But I have a feeling 221 will not make it in NJ/DC.

I guess I’ll be watching this thread again all day tomorrow (just when I had made peace with not making it) :open_mouth:

So now DC/NJ <= 223 as opposed to 223. What a wild ride!

Although the phrase “no more than 223” can logically mean 223 or less than 222, I feel that when the principal said “no more than 223”, he or she meant the highest score was 223 but not more than 223. Otherwise, the principal would have said “less than 223”.

No way NJ/DC cutoff score will be 221; it will be at least 222, if not 223 IMO. Among the highest states, I am curious to see cutoff scores for MA, CA and MD because if MA cutoff is 222, CA cutoff might be 221. Or MA and CA cutoffs might be 222 while MD cutoff turns out to be 221.

So I don’t know how to do the priors or how to do it statistically, but the fact that we’ve gotten, what, a couple dozen reports - and they’re almost all at or above the worst case scenario - is a bad sign. It’s not proof of anything - but I think the most likely explanation is that the worst case scenario is true.

We’ll probably get twice as many reports tomorrow as we did today, and things will be clearer.

Agree - no news is bad news. GCs won’t be calling or pointing out the kids who didn’t make the cutoff, only the ones who did. Seems like the ones who did have high cutoffs

Exactly. The last two posts make sense. Where are those scoring at the predicted low end range?

@PrimeNumber2 They either aren’t being told right away, or they don’t exist as a qualifier. OH, however, might be at the midpoint.

Im praying that 220 makes it in MD
 but it probably won’t

I’m sure Art wouldn’t say that 223 was the upper limit nationwide if he wasn’t sure, but does anyone know how he confirmed that by talking to one principal? Do principals get information about other states, or is this based on assuming that NJ or DC are the highest in the country?