@DoyleB the problem is that Applerouth was referring to total scores not SI’s. Do we actually KNOW that GC’s and test prep companies are reporting a ton of very high SI’s from all over the country?
@Speedy2019, whew! Except in this case, “Mistrust, must verify”
@Mamelot I have access to limited data. I personally know of one school here that, over the last 4 years, has averaged 1.5 NMSF per year. If the cutoff in GA is 207, they’ll have a dozen this year.
@DoyleB at #1793, if you are from GA, you must pursue Northview. An excellent candidate for figuring out GA’s cutoff to SF.
You don’t really need concordance or SI%tiles to make a reasonably accurate prediction. A highschool like Northview will suffice for each state.
Walton did do some PSAT prep in classes (such as homework or classwork credit for completing Kahn Academy stuff) and also offered a PSAT prep class after school with Applerouth.
I’m new to this, and this may be too soon for my first conspiracy theory, but is it possible that Cobb administrators had some help from Applerouth in deciding how to report data? I’m NOT suggesting any numbers were falsified, but as I mentioned above, they don’t report by students, only by scores.
Here we go — for TX
The 1520 or 1510, 3 places may happen - Houston, Austin, North TX (may be San Antonio). Now we can see how rare it is to have 1520 out of 1353 NMF awards each year for TX
@OHToCollege – I see what you are saying. I think another poster basically said the way they come up with commended is just by running a 30 second excel search through to the lowest 50,000th or so SI spot. But I’ve also seen historically the commended cutoff has never been lower than the lowest state’s SF cutoff. This suggests to me that they could not make a commended line significantly higher than a low scoring state’s SF cutoff. But maybe I’m wrong…
as for my own cutoff prediction, I think @kikidee9 nailed it at post #1791.
@dallaspiano the 2 lists out there are not real time… I haven’t had time to update the 2 lists yet. My friend told me about this 1520 as her son goes to this academy…,my friend gave me a few scores from this academy and one of them is 1520. I’ll update the 2 lists later and you’ll see 1520 for TX.
@LivinProof @kikidee9 I agree that those numbers look reasonable.
@OHToCollege – correction meant to say But I’ve also seen historically the commended cutoff has never been HIGHER than the lowest state’s SF cutoff. This suggests to me that they could not make a commended line significantly higher than a low scoring state’s SF cutoff. But maybe I’m wrong…
I think that if NM started making kids who couldn’t make the national commended line into SF in some states, the credibility of the whole program would come under even more fire than it is already.
@LadyMeowMeow I’m so glad you said this about Applerouth & Cobb. I was thinking along the same line in my own head…didn’t want to put this out there. I even thought 1) perhaps Applerouth teamed up with Khan Academy to work with CB and design the new test…and if you train with Applerouth (like Cobb county’s kids), I would think you have a better chance of higher scores than someone who trains with test preps that don’t have much to go by except for that 1 practice test by Khan…
@LadyMeowMeow, my sense is that Walton, not the Cobb County School District, arranged for the Applerouth after school class. The only relationship between a test prep company and CCSD that I’m aware of is with Princeton Review, which offers SAT prep county-wide at a subsidized rate through a special program called Project 2400.
I think the reporting from CCSD we’re seeing is perhaps more indicative of its efforts to improve test scores and to be more transparent about the results. Frankly, I am wondering why other school districts around the country aren’t sharing this kind of data with their constituents, since obviously they all got it.
@Speedy2019 ok, i’m going to update my excel file now. I don’t have score for you. Am I supposed to include yours or scores you know of? If I miss people’s scores, please let me know…tough to catch all real scores out there.
@GABaseballMom, thank you explaining that to me. I can’t explain why so many other school districts don’t share the data right away, but I can see the incentive for a test-prep company working with Walton students to want it out asap.
@DoyleB , You stated, “I have access to limited data. I personally know of one school here that, over the last 4 years, has averaged 1.5 NMSF per year. If the cutoff in GA is 207, they’ll have a dozen this year.”
How many would they have if the GA cutoff is 217 as @kikidee9 predicted?
@kikkidee9 - thanks for your predictions - just wondering why a a state that had a cut off of 219 (e.g. Wash.) and CT had a 220 are predicted to go to 217 and Tx from 220 to 219 & GA with a 218 going to a 217 but NY which had a 219 is predicted to go to a 220 - do you have some data to support such a different treatment for NY? thanks!