National University of Singapore

<p>Unfortunately, I don’t think very many people DREAM to get into NUS. It’s just one of those things that you do after JC or Poly. Nobody goes there because it’s intellectually stimulating or because they’re really excited to experience something there.</p>

<p>I dont disagree that a degree from any of the Unis in Singapore will get you a job here (last sentence?), but if that’s all you want in life, then it’s true, isn’t it, that you have no ambition?</p>

<p>“but you’d be surprised how often foreign degrees (wherever its from) are glossed over and holders are categorised as those who couldn’t be admitted locally.” this makes absolutely no sense to me. could you rephrase it?</p>

<p>one can’t even a vigil for burma. bah- that’s such a sad university.</p>

<p>the way i see it, it’s a cycle of stupidity churning stupidity. </p>

<p>if i had to go to nus, wouldn’t i be the guy traipsing about with a straw up my nose? now think again, why would i want that?</p>

<p>“this makes absolutely no sense to me. could you rephrase it?”</p>

<p>I think he is refering to this sort of mentality:
[www.hardwarezone.com.sg</a> - View Single Post - Overseas grads vs local grads](<a href=“http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showpost.php?p=27164790&postcount=11]www.hardwarezone.com.sg”>http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showpost.php?p=27164790&postcount=11)</p>

<p>guys, i’m from singapore too. we all want to go to the US to get out of the system, I think recognition and prestige is secondary. for me it’s more of a personal journey enlightenment self-discovery thing. and intellectual thing. that’s a very important reason i don’t wanna go NUS.</p>

<p>oh i have a place in law too. it’s really not too bad, and just because Thio’s a bigot doesn’t mean she’s not smart. hahah, actually secretly I think she really knows her arguments in parliament are crap. i don’t believe she can’t see it. she’s just trying to defend her and her faith’s position in whatever way possible.</p>

<p>current is applying to… dartmouth? the last bastion of conservatism in the ivy league; home of a newspaper which recently depicted on its cover indians holding scalps? yale? the school that admitted a member of the taliban?</p>

<p>i personally feel thio li-ann is a bigoted woman. bigoted, bigoted, stupid. but in this particular case, i think the administration deserves props, not criticism, for not silencing her. for you to choose those schools to apply to while lambasting nus seems churlish, at least; if not outright hypocritical.</p>

<p>dudboi:
what exactly is a ‘dream school’? most singaporeans can lie about ‘dreaming’ of the experience of standing in harvard yard and smelling the fresh air that, but 99+% apply because of the prestige. you might be an exception in this regard, but i’m sure even then you would be able to understand the mentality. somehow i feel that your list of factors you feel should define a ‘dream school’, i.e. the academic climate at chicago, the architecture at duke, is exclusive to the UNSWR top20 and oxbridge. the vast majority of the population (singaporean or otherwise) isn’t exposed to these schools, nor would admissions be feasible anyway; perhaps their criteria of a good/great school is thus more pedantic than yours, but i don’t believe it should be disregarded on that basis alone.</p>

<p>lastly, some of the most brilliant people i know are in nus (trust me, this does not reflect badly on the company i keep). nus law and medicine are as competitive as any non-oxbridge faculty in the uk; medicine boasts matriculation of multiple presidents scholars. yes, competitiveness is spotty; but even for the worst-performing students, i don’t see how choosing to enter NUS reflects badly on one’s ambitions… are the many singaporeans who perform similarly but instead choose third-tier-toilets which do not offer any better opportunities or prospects (i can think of thousands of singaporeans in hundreds of places in uk/us/aus) more worthy in your eyes?</p>

<p>it’s not just about thio:) </p>

<p>it’s for the painful lack of academic freedom, the predilection for <em>DREARY</em> political correctness, and for some of the most BORING people I have ever met in my life, that nus is better off swimming in the gutters. </p>

<p>there are exceptions of course, but not enough to salvage nus’ reputation from its quagmire. at the end of the day, i know i wouldn’t be happy at nus. </p>

<p>yale: i would of course, love to meet someone from the taliban. why not? education is anyone’s prerogative. </p>

<p>dartmouth: has one of the most fantastic writing programs in the us; on top of having a high rating on the academic freedom index. </p>

<p>about thio: as a member of the faculty, she’s an ambassador of the school. her parochial views send a message so risible, that it doesn’t reflect very well on nus at all. because nus has remained so bloody silent about her antics in parliament, it suggests beyond a reasonable doubt that nus endorses/condones her slants. </p>

<p>imo, even toleration for discrimination is discrimination in itself. now why would i want to head to a school that tolerates discrimination against me? a homosexual?</p>

<p>Could anyone post the deadline for applying to NUS?</p>

<p>I posted this on another board, but I repost it here as just contributing my opinion.</p>

<p>Credentials: Ph.D. graduate student at UCLA
Program: Applied Linguistics</p>

<p>Thoughts: Having gone through years in the educational and academia scene (I spent 4 years teaching Sec and JC students in Singapore, got my B.A. and M.A. in NUS, taught US undergrads in UCLA as teaching assistants, did research assistant work for professor), I believe I may have some words of advice for Singaporeans (especially those in JCs with high hopes and expectations of studying in a prestigious US university).</p>

<p>(1) Really consider LACs: Major US research university in the US are famous because they do research and produce results. Which means their financial resources are dumped on recruiting ‘superstar’ professors and they concentrate on graduate students. Profs are focused on doing their own thing. All these means that undergrads are undercut in the process. LACs on the other hand do not have graduate programs and Profs main task is teaching well.</p>

<p>(2)Really consider NUS: Having personally seen the caliber and academic scene of the undergraduate program here, I have began to appreciate the academic rigor that NUS does provide. I agree that NUS may not accord the same amount of prestige as some US universities, but if you intend to go on to graduate school, you may be better off getting a solid foundation at NUS or one of the LACs. If you do not intend to go on to graduate school, then maybe the prestige of a US degree may get you somewhere…initially.</p>

<p>(3) Look ahead…really ahead: This point is related to point (2). If you are not committed to get a Ph.D. at the end of the day, or thinking that ‘I’m just going to get my undergrad degree and find a nice cozy job’, then where you get your degree may not matter that much! Yes, life after school is cut-throat, and climbing the career ladder depends much more on political acumen and guile. If you’re committed to going on to a Ph.D. program, then again it may not be such a good idea to get into a major US research university! As with point (1), you are getting undercut academically as an undergrad there; plus there is a possibility that competing with ‘too much brains’ might end you up with an ‘average’ that does not look good on a grad school application. And LACs have a huge success rate at sending their undergrads to prestigious grad school program, do the research!</p>

<p>In a nutshell, Singaporeans tends to overrate US and UK Uni, often at the expense of denigrating NUS, which is sad. Yes, undergrad education in NUS IS academically rigorous. And all the hype about ‘personal journey enlightenment and discovery’, I don’t think you need a US or UK university to do that, just don’t depend on your parents too much might do the trick. And about ‘academic and political freedom’, I think we need to understand academic and politics before freedom. Usually pple want freedom without working for it (read ‘speech without responsibility’), so I suggest understanding whatever you want to understand first (understand as in read and learn, not what you think it is), which for all purposes can be done adequately at NUS, before yielding to freedom.</p>

<p>^well said… we should listen to someone with TRUE experience in both Spore and the US… Not to those who just DREAMS about going abroad everyday</p>

<p>it would sound reasonable but for one striking thing:</p>

<p>you’re a masters graduate doing your PhD in, of all things, Applied Linguistics at a top US research university. how could your grammar, your conformity to the English idiom and your use of certain basic phrases be so atrociously off the mark?</p>

<p>don’t get me wrong. i think you have a very good point, and it gave me food for thought. i’d have happily chomped it down if not for that glaring mismatch.</p>

<p>screwitlah:</p>

<p>Even for the most proficient and polific writers, they do have to edit their writing before publication. I didn’t bother to do so because I’m making a point, not a speech.</p>

<p>In any case, I apologise for making you uncomfortable with the ‘glaring mismatch’, which if you got my point above, would not be a ‘mismatch’…and…I do Applied Linguisitics specializing in the Chinese Language. I’m a true-bred Singaporean in case you’re wondering if I’m a PRC. I just happen to be better at Mandarin.</p>

<p>And using terms like ‘striking’, ‘glaring mismatch’ and ‘atrocious’ creates a malicious feel which do not contribute to a friendly environment for discussion. I notice that in this CC forum, many like to take a jab at others on the basis of language mistakes, presumably with the intention of undermining the other’s opinion and credibility. This, in itself, is a very weak argument. So I assure you that you can ‘happily chomped it down’ with no fear from your perceived mismatch.</p>

<p>I see I see :slight_smile: it’s alright man, you don’t need to feel it’s malicious. I assure you I’d be equally atrocious at the Chinese language, even though I did pretty well for higher chinese.</p>

<p>and no, it wasn’t an argument i was making at all. it was about your credentials. when i consider points of view i look at their sources too, which at that time seemed suspect to me considering the above.</p>

<p>Apology accepted. :-)</p>

<p>how comforting. pats on the back and kisses on the cheek. the wonders of electronic reconciliation.</p>

<p>I’m an Indian student in my senior year with Physics/Chemistry/Mathematics/Computer Science under the ISC board. I got 91.4% in my 10th Grade (ICSE) and am expecting about 92-95% in my 12th (ISC). I have good extra curriculur skills (Quizzing, Debating, Writing, Gaming) including about 8 months of work exp. at a Tech Firm in India. What are my chances of getting through NUS/NTU? I want to pursue Computer Science/Engineering. Thanks in advance.</p>

<p>lol so gaming is actually considered an EC?? hey i should come out tops i took part in the WCG!!</p>

<p>u’ll get in…doesnt take a phd in applied linguistics to figure that out =)</p>

<p>Anyone familiar with the NUS-NYU law dual degree program? Does the fees differ? How drastically does it differ from a pure NYU post-grad law education?</p>

<p>Try this link: [NUS:</a> Faculty of Law - NYU-NUS LLB/LLM Dual Degree Programme FAQ](<a href=“http://law.nus.edu.sg/current/LLB/nyunus_llbllm_ddp_faq.htm]NUS:”>http://law.nus.edu.sg/current/LLB/nyunus_llbllm_ddp_faq.htm)</p>

<p>go for the NUS-NYU LLB/JD program…its much more presitigious</p>

<p>LLM is generally perceived as a form of paper-padding for foreign lawyers, since its relatively easy to get in as compared to the JD course and its nowhere as demanding (one year compared to 3 years and no writing component)…98% of US lawyers dont have it, including most of the judges in the high courts and supreme courts, nor is it a requirement of any kind, hence its not highly regarded</p>

<p>besides, a JD from NYU qualifies you to take the bar and practise in any US state, an LLM does not…dont be mistaken by the fact that an LLM constitutes a “masters” while a JD is a professional “degree”, most ppl in the field know which is the real deal (if they dont, you most probably wont need their recognition anyway)</p>

<p>@ EVERYONE!!!</p>

<p>How much would be the approximate cost for an international student to major in business?</p>

<p>Does applying for financial aid has any influence upon one’s chances of admissions? Or it has no bearing upon the final outcome?</p>

<p>Thank you everyone in advance.</p>