<p>yeah, i think you can consider kenyon as your safety… it was mine last year, i’m now at grinnell :)</p>
<p>I hope Iowa is treating you well. Yea, AVI is doing a really poor job. They tend to have a lot more off days than not.</p>
<p>rs6ers, it’s funny that you treat Kenyon as your safety when Kenyon’s acceptance rate is at 36% whereas Grinnell’s acceptance rate is at a staggering 45%. So my common sense will tell me that it’s easier to get accepted into Grinnell than into Kenyon. Frankly speaking, I doubt Grinnell’s ranking will be anywhere that high without that 1 billion dollars endowment (versus Kenyon’s 150 million dollars endowment) and that is if you want to look at the coverted US News ranking.</p>
<p>Also, Kenyon’s admissions policy defer to a large extent compared to Grinnell’s admissions policy. Refering to both institutions’ common data set, you can see that the “level of applicant’s interest” is important at Kenyon whereas it’s not considered over at Grinnell. In addition, one’s “character/personal qualities” is dubbed as “very important” at Kenyon, whereas it is just “considered” over at Grinnell. So I guess a display of humility and earnest interest in Kenyon will do you good for admissions into Kenyon.</p>
<p>Regarding the food, perhaps you guys might want to fill out those comment cards available on the web! 
And I do hope that the new dean is doing something and he does live up to his promise of fresh, nice and tasty food at Kenyon.</p>
<p>while u continue to impress me with your statistical knowledge about Kenyon, yo u do not really know what it is like here. The comment cards are interesting but not really powerful. I mean we are talking money and time and effort here to provide good quality food. A mere comment card does not really have the drive in it to change all these. The whole system needs to be structured/motivated to provide quality food.
But again, I see no harm in trying so I will fill out one today!</p>
<p>I think the food has actually gotten worse. And the menu online does not match what is actually being served. At the beginning of the semester, AVI was doing really well, but as a vegetarian, all I’ve eaten for the last week is plain pasta, veggie burgers, grilled cheese and stir fry. I’m a little sick of it all. And the manager doesn’t respond to complaints. woohoo.</p>
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<p>Oh well, looks like I have too much of an expectation of Kenyon… So are there any other revelations that prospies dont know about?</p>
<p>Um, yeah, if you wanted to go to Grinnell and used Kenyon as your safety, you don’t know what a safety is. Grinnell and Kenyon are about onpar in terms of selectivity (According to Princeton Review and my guidance counselor, who labled them both as matches for me). You’re lucky you didn’t get screwed out of going to college.</p>
<p>Kenyon 10…</p>
<p>Stats on Grinnell… (Grinnell’s Website)
Acceptance Rate:36.6%
ACT: 31
Top 10%: 72%</p>
<p>Stats on Kenyon (Kenyon’s website)<br>
Acceptance Rate: 38%
ACT:29
Top10%:50% </p>
<p>I’d take Grinnell any day of the week when all things are considered (Academics, etc.) They do have a higher rank because of their endowment, but that is one of the elements that goes into prestige. Look at the number of students who get a phd, md, jd, etc. coming out of Grinnell…its outstanding.</p>
<p>^ Actually, Kenyons acceptance rate for the class of 2009 was 36.1%. The percent of students in the top 10 is now 59%. SAT/ACT scores, not really sure about the average. </p>
<p>I don’t mean to come off as rude, but I need to defend my alma matar!</p>
<p>I didn’t mean to come off rude either…I’m attending Grinnell next year so i need to defend my soon to be alma matar!</p>
<p>Kenyon also has a huge % of students going to grad school. I would say the schools are about equal. Minus Iowa sucking even more than Ohio.</p>
<p>Oh by the way, I have gotten Grinnell’s acceptance rate from their common data set. Of course, unless Grinnellians can’t do basic mathematics calculation or the admissions office provides dubious statistics for prospective students…</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I will teach you step-by-step on how to calculate selectivity (for year 2005, i.e. class of 2009)</p>
<p>step 1, total up the number of applications: 1528 + 1593 = 3121 applications.</p>
<p>step 2, calculate the number of students that were admitted for fall 2005: 635 + 763 = 1398 students admitted.</p>
<p>step 3, calculate the selectivity (in %) by dividing the number of students admitted over the number of applicants and multiply by 100%: 1398 / 3121 x 100% = 44.79% (4 sf). But of course, if you round it off, it goes to the nearest whole number, which is 45.0% (3 sf).</p>
<p>Even the College Board’s guide to colleges list Grinnell’s selectivity as 45.0%, which is consistent to my claim. WOW, what a big difference that is compared to Grinnell’s admissions office’s claim of 36.6% (<a href=“http://www.grinnell.edu/admission/classprofile/”>http://www.grinnell.edu/admission/classprofile/</a>)! Oh well, personally I am not taken aback too much since like I have mentioned before, “character and personality” isn’t taken too much into consideration at Grinnell (look at the common data set again) when selecting their freshmen class. And this has something to do with the character and integrity of the college in my opinion.</p>
<p>Sources:
Grinnell College’s Common Data Set, Section C, Page 5, Table C1.
Grinnell College’s Common Data Set, Section C, Page 6, Table C7.
<a href=“http://www.grinnell.edu/offices/institutionalresearch/reports/GC_CDS_0506.pdf[/url]”>http://www.grinnell.edu/offices/institutionalresearch/reports/GC_CDS_0506.pdf</a></p>
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<p>I do agree with you that in terms of students’ profile wise, Grinnellians have higher SAT scores, GPA and such. But endowment plays a strong part to this. Tuition fees are set to a unrealistically low level (which is good for students) to attract students, in addition to the large amount of merit scholarships that Grinnell is capable of giving.</p>
<p>However, if Grinnell does not have that 1 billion dollars endowment, I am pretty sure it wouldn’t have that sort of students’ profile. In fact, some of my friends apply to Grinnell because the college is known for giving out loads of $$, which means that they apply to Grinnell for the $$ and not because they sincerely love Grinnell (of course, I am talking about my friends in this instance… I am pretty sure there are some Grinnell fanatics out there, just like there are many Kenyon fanatics on this thread). </p>
<p>In addition, I wouldnt really justify that a college is good by solely looking at the number of PhDs, MDs and blah blah blah it produces. Sure, those statistics do signify something. However, it does not encapsulate the whole college experience. I find Kenyon’s graduates more down-to-earth, resisting paths to riches if what it takes is “unethical” to them. Look at Bill Watterson: he refuses to sell the rights of Calvin and Hobbes to those “evil syndicates” out there. He can earn big loads of money, but did he? I think Kenyon students are more interested in answering the big metaphysical questions, as opposed to living a rat-race life. Briefly, it means that Kenyon students can go on to grad schools and such. But it is a matter of whether they want it or not.</p>
<p>And oh by the way, since you are so into rankings and prestige, the college p rowler ranked Kenyon’s academics as A- while Grinnell’s was B+.</p>
<p>Kenyon_10,
I am really impressed with your love for Kenyon and your meticulate research to prove your point. Trust me, it will help you write papers and cite your sources!
However, I think you are being a little too hard on Grinell here. Just like you love kenyon and are coming here, this other kid got into Grinell and loves Grinell. You cannot PROVE that you should love one school more than the other. You are saying that it is all about money, well then so be it! Money does play a huge part in deciding a college. You have not been to Grinell; neither have I. Maybe if we had, we might have loved Grinell as much (?). The thing is: acceptance rate, admissions selectivity, endowment, and all other such stuff are insignificant in the greater scheme of things. You cannot cite one Kenyon person and say Kenyon is about finding metaphysical answers and you have to understand that while it might be true, going to grad school and making money is equally important (which Kenyon alum are good at too!)
Basically, we need to appreciate both Kenyon and Grinell for their merits. You cannot really compare two schools down to the whisker…They are very much alike and am sure both great institutions.
That said…Kenyon is still BETTER!</p>
<p>You are expelled, traitor! :-P</p>
<p>Well, I am NOT a traitor…I am just looking for metaphysical answers as opposed to participating in a rat-race!!!</p>
<p>Perhaps you will see things differently when you are about to enter the real world?</p>
<p>I didn’t mean to say that all Grinnell students are worried about is making money and such (truly not the case). Just look at the number of students going into the Peace Corps (greatest percentage of any students out of any college in the country). So money isn’t the motivating drive for most Grinnell students, as I’m sure is the case with any other student (hopefully). And by the way…well put Chochu. In the grand scheme of things I’ve never been to Kenyon you’ve never been to Grinnell. Its not like our opinions are going to change, we should just embrace both schools as being top notch LAC.</p>
<p>haha…see molbioace!!!
we have now moved from a state of war to a state of peace. the metaphysical answer instead of a rat-race!
I hope I make you proud now…
Kenyon, Knight me…NOW!</p>
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<p>I am glad that you are thinking along this line as opposed to thinking/calling Kenyon your “safety” school.</p>
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<p>Although it is not absolutely true, but the impression that Kenyon gives me is along that line… :p</p>