<p>Hey guys!! Do check out the following article:
<a href=“http://www.kenyon.edu/x31077.xml[/url]”>http://www.kenyon.edu/x31077.xml</a></p>
<p>Ainsworth, class of 1995 actually has actually rejected Harvard, Princeton for Kenyon!! And seriously, she’s just so amazing.</p>
<p>so? big deal…many of my friends here at grinnell got offers from stanford, northwestern, chicago and of course harvard… you guys should really feel sorry for ainsworth… i mean, kenyon over harvard??? i’m sure she couldnt afford harvard education and kenyon, her safety of course, offers her free ride and maybe a toyota (haha)… ask yourself kenyon_10, can you honestly say that you will turn down harvard for kenyon if everything is equal?</p>
<p>First of all, I can honestly tell you that I will turn down Harvard for Kenyon. Although Harvard may have the prestige that people like you craves on, Harvard may not have…
<p>And if I were to get admitted into Grinnell and Kenyon, I will still choose Kenyon over Grinnell, even if Grinnell gives me a free ride. This is a no-brainer decision actually. If you were to look at the Grinnell thread entitled “things admissions office doesnt want you to know” in addition to the dubious statistics/data given by Grinnell’s admissions office for the sake of misleading prospies, you will understand what I mean actually. </p>
<p>I am in fact thankful and fortunate enough to know the actual statistics of Kenyon as opposed to being illusioned that a particular college is “so selective and I actually got in! Yeah”… And of course, don’t forget that Grinnell, like Kenyon, has selectivity as high as 60% at a not-so-distant past! So, if Kenyon sucks, I don’t see how Grinnell can be so “coverted” other than their endowment. And to help people like you again who are so into prestige and rankings, College P rowler ranked Grinnell’s academics as B+, on par with Muhlenberg College and Rollins College whereas Kenyon’s A- for academics is on par with Columbia, UPenn and John Hopkins. </p>
<p>And anyway, if you haven’t already know yet, Harvard has a need-blind admissions policy and they meet 100% of admitted students’ need, which translate into the fact that Ainsworth can afford a Harvard education. So again, something is really wrong with your train of thoughts to think that “she couldnt afford (a) harvard education and kenyon, her safety of course, offers her free ride and maybe a toyota”.</p>
<p>Actually my purpose of showing that article is to debunk the myth that Kenyon is a safety school and at the same time highlight those many asinine, ludicrous and preposterous statements written on this thread for the sake of bashing Kenyon up.
Obviously, this statement is factually wrong. Kenyon accepted 40% of her incoming class from the ED round.</p>
<p>I am sorry if I sounded harsh. But I absolutely dislike people who come onboard a college’s thread for the sake of bashing a particular college up without any hard concrete facts.</p>
<p>‘sour grapes’</p>
<p>Yeah…and College ******* also says Carleton, Weslyean, and Notre Dame are B+ (Oh my goodness terrible school). And A- being American University and Boston College (Good schools but not A- material). Can you honestly say that American, BC or Kenyon is more academically stimulating than Grinnell, Carleton, or Notre Dame? College ******* is a horrible way to judge outcomes and academics behind colleges. And It seems that you are the one who is obsessed with rankings as you keep on brining it up. The reason I picked Grinnell was not for the prestige that comes along with the degree, but for the academics and the atmosphere of the college, so I have no idea why you keep saying its all about the prestige</p>
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<p>Yes, so obviously you are not talking about prestige at all. It was you who first introduced me to the whole concept of prestige which I didn’t know it exist in the first place!</p>
<p>And seriously, after reading #45, I am so glad that you have finally agreed with me that one shouldn’t judge a school by any system that is quantifiable since each institution has got their own strengths and weaknesses. I am using College P rowler as a way to highlight to the other Kenyon-bashing people that college is more than just ranking. And I can honestly tell you that I have faith with my future college and I do believe that it is as academically challenging as any of the schools that you have listed above. And the experience derived from attending Kenyon does not pales in comparison, or may even surpass that of the colleges named above.</p>
<p>In addition, I do not agree with you that “college p rowler is a horrible way to judge outcomes and academics behind colleges”. That guide is written by students and if a large proportion of Grinnellians think that academics is not as top-notch (as in As) as compared to other schools, I guess it does reflect the college well. And similarly, if many Kenyon students think that Kenyon is a life-changing, mind-blowing college, it has got to be that way! Unlike college p roweler, US News Ranking’s data is supplied by the college’s adminstrators and unfortunately, some college adminstrators are superb in manipulating their college’s data.
See that? That college’s student-faculty ratio improved tremendously when the college did not hire many more faculty members. So tell me that US News ranking is credible. Also, schools that do not participate in the US News Ranking (like Kenyon and Reed), will undeniably suffer in the ranking!</p>
<p>Chomsky: I have nothing against Grinnell or against you. I am just irked by the fact that some of your future classmates or seniors or whoever at Grinnell have been bashing Kenyon up on CC!! And at the same time, promoting how great an institution Grinnell is (for eg, in a Kenyon thread or in a Colorado College thread).
And from the start, this thread was created to bash Kenyon up and not as a chances thread at all. Wescali is definitely not applying to Kenyon when he/she speaks Kenyon in such a light. Perhaps so that he/she will feel much better since he/she could not get into the so-called “better” schools and thus turned towards the “lower ranked” schools. Perhaps because of the fact that Grinnell is not as prestige as you might think that he comes around telling people how great a school Grinnell is. Seriously, you dont need to tell someone that a Mercedes-Benz is a great car. You can judge from the look of it. And similarly, one knows a great institution. You need not go around telling others what a lousy school their college is and what a great school your college is. Only people who are self-conscious will do so.</p>
<p>And yes, call me sourgrapes if that will make you people feel better.</p>
<p>kenyon=rice=upenn=jhu=cmu??? maybe in your dream, kenyon=wooster that’s more like it. and kenyon>carleton>wesleyan>grinnell>cornell?! you gotta be out of your monkey-ass mind !!</p>
<p>I’ve never said that I believe in rankings…I think they are a waste of time. You have to find what interests you about schools not what others say. These are all schools which i looked at before i decided on Grinnell: Reed, St Johns (Annapolis), Marlboro, and Hampshire. All of which either don’t participate in rankings or are shown in a “negative” light because they don’t do well in US News. </p>
<p>In response to why I view College ******* negatively is because of the issue in which you brought up…students talk about the college. If only students who feel negatively about a college speak up, then the college is represented by what a few people thought of the institution. Take Reed for example. College ******* gives them a B rating in academics, when in fact we all know it is one of the most academically stimulating colleges in the country. </p>
<p>When I was talking about phd productivy and etc. I was just letting you know that Grinnell is a good school that deserves the respect it earns. It does garner more attention because it has more money, but that isn’t a bad thing. If Harvard didn’t have as much money to be able to pay for excellent profs etc., then they wouldn’t receive as much attention because the academcis would be subpar. </p>
<p>And by the way I think you knew what prestige meant before I mentioned it…You’ve been posting on CC for a long enough time to know that everyone here is driven by prestige.</p>
<p>I think all in all we agree with one another on a lot of issues…its just that we get upset when someone bashes our school. We both believe US News is full of crap, etc. and hopefully we can put all of the issues behind us. I understand where your coming from when you get angry about the treatment of kenyon, but also I’m coming from the same place when people bash Grinnell. Hopefully this will all end as its getting old and frustrating</p>
<p>Ok, I really don’t see people bashing Grinnell as much as people are bashing Kenyon. When it comes down to it, people go to Kenyon because they WANT to be there. You don’t go to a school in the middle of nowhere unless you want to. </p>
<p>Its academics are up to par. A good family friend was wrestling between going to Kenyon and Dartmouth, and only chose Dartmouth because he received more financial aid. If Kenyon is so inferior, why was he even considering Kenyon’s offer when he was accepted to Dartmouth? </p>
<p>Before I was even considering Midwestern schools, I always viewed Grinnell, Kenyon, and Macalester as incredible schools. They all house intelligent students, great faculty, and endless opportunities. While their admissions processes may vary (Grinnell seems to go more for higher board scores while Kenyon states that they don’t heavily weight the SAT and ACT), you cannot say that one school is better than the other. I felt honored to be accepted to Kenyon, and I would feel just as honored had I applied to Grinnell and been accepted. </p>
<p>When it comes down to it, Carleton, Macalester, Grinnell, and Kenyon are the BEST LAC’s in the midwest. Bar none. So lets stop comparing them.</p>
<p>First of all, academics should not be based solely on their rigour. Academics encompasses many different aspects like accessibility of professors or great quality of instructions of professors. Thus, it may be possible for Reed, a “darn rigorous” school to get a B for academics perhaps because of other factors not known to us.</p>
<p>And secondly, if you have taken Statistics 101, you will know that a wide sampling of a school will definitely reflect a school well. So in the case of college p rowler, I believe a wide sampling of the school is taken before the publisher publishes the book. It will be almost insane to think that only 1 or 2 students in a particular school determines what comes out of the book. And also because I find the comments there so wide-ranging that I believe that a wide sampling of the school must have taken place.</p>
<p>And thirdly, I disagree with you that there is an absolute correlation between money and quality of academics. “If Harvard didn’t have as much money to be able to pay for excellent profs etc., then they wouldn’t receive as much attention because the academcis would be subpar.” That’s a generalisation which you might want to avoid when you go to college: money is just one of the many factors that a professor would consider before coming to your school. There are definitely other factors like students on campus (whether they are a joy to teach) or perhaps the location of the college. If a professor goes to your school for the sake of money again, then I believe you might not get that great an experience anyway. To help you further comprehend the issue, perhaps you might want to check out this article: <a href=“http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/articles/brief/06harvard_brief.php[/url]”>http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/articles/brief/06harvard_brief.php</a>
Similarly, I believe that Kenyon’s 150 million endowment does not mean that the academics is sub-par.</p>
<p>And lastly, perhaps again you will want to comment on your fellow Grinnellian’s use of diction in our Kenyon’s thread. It has definitely reflected Grinnell well throughout this thread.</p>
<p>Ainsworth’s mother is a law professor so I think she could handle the cost of Harvard or Kenyon.</p>
<p>This whole thing is very stupid. Let’s stop.</p>