Need Advice: The Boyfriend Dilemma

<p>I’ve always felt obligated, as a parent, to accept my kids’ boyfriends and try, difficult as it can be, to find a way to see the positive in them (barring an abusive or otherwise dangerous guy, of course). I’d be afraid of damaging my relationship with my daughters by appearing critical of the partners they chose. Other parents may have children who would be more open to hearing negative parental opinions about boyfriends/girlfriends. In our house, it would be a very unpleasant conversation.</p>

<p>What I think makes abasket’s situation even more challenging is the fact that it’s a long-term relationship. Asking about dating other people at this point, especially if the daughter sees herself comfortably settled in with this guy, might seem to come from way out in left field. corranged’s suggestion about framing the question in a discussion about marriage is a great idea - a very sensitive way to broach the subject.</p>

<p>Thirty something years ago, my parents never said that they disliked my (then) boyfriend. I wish they had said something sooner, rather than just waiting for me to break up with him and then praising the new one(s) to the skies.</p>

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<p>aBasket, just keep repeating to yourself what you wrote earlier. </p>

<p>Perhaps some counseling would be worth considering, to help, as you say, </p>

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<p>because it does seem like an ongoing problem, one that is really worth addressing imo.</p>

<p>In your first post describing the young man, you devoted several sentences to his being theatrical. I know my sons in performing arts have had uphill battles winning over the affections of their girlfriends’ mothers. </p>

<p>What makes your D’s boyfriend seem “stuck on himself” in your living room might be the same nerves-of-steel that it takes to stand in front of strangers in a dark theater and take them on a journey of the imagination. If he’s actually self-absorbed and selfish, that’s a real problem if he mistreats your daughter or his ego eclipses her needs. But not all actors are like that; maybe he is, though.</p>

<p>In fact, a well-trained actor can be a great listener. If so, girls love that. If he’s attuned to on-stage interaction, he probably knows you don’t like him and it might make him edgey around you, not showing his relaxed side but instead showing off to impress you.</p>

<p>So I also go with mini’s wallpaper plan. Lots of glue, too. Knock yourself out :)</p>

<p>First of all, many first loves have ended up in very loving and happy marriages. So, it is not essential to date several people in order to do a comparative analysis. One can do that from observation of other people’s relationships.</p>

<p>The real issue seems to be that you do not like him. And that makes it really awkward, as this could potentially be the person she chooses as a husband. I would assume that you have tried to be open to him, and it was not dislike at first sight? If there are valid reasons for you to believe that this person is completely unsuitable, and would cause her unhappiness, I can see why you would want to say something. </p>

<p>At the same time you want to be very careful, putting yourself in her position, and imagining your reaction if your mother was telling you that your true-love was the wrong guy.</p>

<p>Look for an opportunity to talk about something you observed in their relationship. Maybe use her behavior rather than his, as your talking point, just so she does not get defensive about him. Like, maybe, “I noticed that you got really aggravated with what Joe said/did. If you cared for him that much you would not have spoken to him like that.” (I actually used this with a friend, and boy, did she spill her guts)</p>

<p>This sounds really familiar.</p>

<p>DH and I dated for over seven years before we got married. I sounded exactly like your daughter, a caring mediator, and my husband sounded a lot like your daughter’s boyfriend… odd. He’s a musician with an Irish Catholic temper, I was an engineer with a very even keel and a tendency to forgive too many trespasses.</p>

<p>My parents really didn’t like him. They thought he was taking advantage of my good nature, and he was a little awkward around my family (oh, the stress of meeting the family…), so he didn’t present himself very well. I kept getting very frustrated with him for clamming up around my family, and I got frustrated that my family couldn’t see him for who he is.</p>

<p>What I saw: a wonderful man who would doggedly guard the door to his bedroom while I took a nap between field rehearsals and football games when I was drum major of the band, who would bring me perfect grilled cheese sandwiches when he knew I’d forget to eat lunch, who would encourage me to actually stand up for myself and not be a doormat!</p>

<p>What they saw: a weird guy who didn’t talk a whole lot, who didn’t really fit in with my otherwise boisterous family, and who would only speak up to be overly-confrontational. (I don’t think they ever found him annoying, though!)</p>

<p>I could understand why they weren’t too keen on him. It irritated me that he wouldn’t be his dear sweet self around them, but I also knew that the cold shoulder that my family gave him, while deserved, didn’t help his stress level too much.</p>

<p>Seven years later, on the morning of our wedding, my mom said to my mother-in-law that she really didn’t like DH at first, but that now, she thinks that he’s really a sweetheart, and that she was so glad that we were getting married. My family eventually saw him for who he actually is, and were able to see what I see in him. Both of us had also grown a lot over the seven years that we dated… His rough edges had softened somewhat and he’d learned diplomacy (plus, he’d gained a sense of style and had become a pretty snappy, clean-cut guy!). I’d also learned to assert myself, and not always sacrifice my own needs for the needs of others. I learned to take care of myself. Some of this was due to age, but so much of it was from our influence on one another.</p>

<p>My parents used to object to our relationship based upon the idea that I hadn’t dated a whole lot, too. I’d dated a little before, but hadn’t experienced anything even remotely serious. The same was true with my husband. Still… I think that “playing the field” is something that people only really tend to suggest when they don’t approve of a person’s significant other. I’m fairly certain that if my husband had been easier to read from the beginning, and if my parents had realized what a great guy he actually is, that they’d have been begging me to not mess up the relationship!</p>

<p>I’d say to be cautious. It helped me that my parents told me what they saw, and why my husband worried them. I think that if there was legitimately a problem with our relationship, that it would definitely be my parents’ right (and, as they saw it, their obligation) to say something.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

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<p>Well said, aibarr.</p>

<p>Very interesting thread.</p>

<p>I’ve been wondering–is it too soon for her to spend a college year abroad?</p>

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<p>I think some young women might think of this as “My parents want me to be promiscuous,” which would strike them as very odd, indeed.</p>

<p>Fortunately, D does not fall into the category that dating = promiscuous.</p>

<p>Her boyfriend and his family are very conservative and truly while you can never say “never”, the idea of jumping into a sexual relationship is something I’m not concerned about (though we have talked about it many times) - yet anyway. In fact, my D has said that’s another reason she likes this guy- he is “safe” in that he does not put any sexual pressure on her. </p>

<p>Yesterday she spend the afternoon with him and the evening having dinner at his house - before which she and I bumped heads a little which prompted me to post this thread - over the whole relationship subject. When she came home last night I snuck up behind her in the kitchen and gave her a big hug. After asking for another hug (gosh, I love her!) she said that what is so upsetting to her about our differences is that she so highly respects my thoughts/opinions that she hates that we are on different pages. I told her that we weren’t going to spend the summer having a confrontation on this issue each time she wants to spend time with him. We (me and the rest of the family) will have to tone down our feelings a bit and let her digest the info/opinions we have clearly expressed about the relationship and let her work on her decisions for her/their future. Doesn’t mean I’ll totally turn the other way, but as you all have suggested, I don’t want to build a wall between us.</p>

<p>If that isn’t the opening for the line of discussion that corranged suggests, I don’t know what is …</p>

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<p>cnp55–exactly.</p>

<p>College is generally the best place to meet a pool of prospective mates. If you make yourself unavailable (or do the opposite, as many kids do these days…they are available for casual hookups but not “into” relationships) you may regret it later.</p>

<p>You people are reading my mind!- exactly another one of my thoughts - college is often where people find their soulmate.</p>

<p>The fact that she has a boyfriend at another school in and of itself wouldn’t drive the local boys away. However, she probably gives off the “not interested” vibe since she DOES have the boyfriend. Someone is going to have to catch her off-guard. Just let it play out.
I had a completely inappropriate boyfriend in high school He was MUCH older- a real sweetheart and STILL a family friend (believe it or not- 39 years later). His family was more upset than mine. My parents just waited it out. As much as they liked him, they knew I would come to my senses. I was leaving for college and he worked at the state liquor store (not as bad as it sounds- actually a good government job). They supported the relationship while it lasted, then supported the next bad choice I trotted through the house (oh wait, that one passed out on the front lawn from drinking too much with my father). It took awhile, but I eventually got it right.</p>

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<p>Well, I’ll dissent on this point, I’m skeptical about raising marriage with a rising college sophomore. </p>

<p>“If you don’t see yourself marrying BF…you should re-evaluate” sounds to me as another way to express disapproval of the relationship. It also suggests that D should be thinking marriage at age 19 (with this boy or in general). </p>

<p>I’d also like to point out that it’s risky to ask a question when you don’t know the answer. Your question invites her to consider and even decide upon the very thing that you are dreading.</p>

<p>Many people find soul mates in college. Some find them in high school. Many find them after college. Do we really want to give the impression that a woman is in bad shape if she doesn’t find a mate by the end of college? </p>

<p>D is doing great at college:</p>

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<p>So an excellent year of school, supported by “mega minutes” on the phone with BF, but without needing to have or find a soul mate on campus. Good for her! Why intervene?</p>

<p>Imho, there is wisdom in leaving well enough alone–and doing the wallpapering!</p>

<p>ADad, I do see your points. Maybe part of our problem is that D has been so NOT a problem in any other facet of life that we are worrying too much about this one issue.</p>

<p>Another point though w/D and boyfriend. While D has a few friends from high school she still sees and new WONDERFUL friends at her college that she seems deeply attached to (and who I have met and they are great), her BF seems to have no one but her. No friends at home that he hangs with. A couple of college friends during the year, but no one he seems to worry/care about during the summer. In other words, D is his only socialization besides his parents. D has mentioned on her own that he is dependent on her. She acknowledges that this is a bit of a problem, but in her caretaker way, she justifies it as being ok. His parents of course, SEEM (I can’t really know for sure) to be overjoyed at his relationship with D - of course! He’s won the jackpot!</p>

<p>“Mini, and that helps exactly how???”</p>

<p>At the very least, you’d have new wallpaper.</p>

<p>I haven’t read through all the posts, but I do sympathize with your worries abasket. My D. had bf (started dating her soph year in high school). We saw red flags–(not saying they are same as yours) controlling, he had no other friends, she started limiting time with girlfriends… I tried to talk to her somewhat generically about signs of unhealthy relationships. She didn’t see it in her own relationship. After soph year in college (he was not at her school) she broke it off (another long story in itself). Afterwards, she told me how psychologically abusive he had become and at the end, even became physical. Bottom line was that she couldn’t/wouldn’t see it until SHE was ready to. I just tried to be there for her for support in dealing with the aftermath.</p>

<p>My advice, keep communication open–but don’t push. When they really want and are ready to listen, they ask (or at least open the door). Good luck and Mini’s advice is probably good–try to distract yourself!</p>

<p>I would leave it alone. Good friend of mine had similar problem to yours. Did not like S’s love choice. S graduated entered airforce, sent to San Antonio, girl broke up with him. Nearly killed him and friend as he reacted in ways that got him sent to jail, psych ward, out of airforce. Enter #2, a new love from across the border who came from family with nothing in common with friend’s. All of a sudden, the evil past girlfriend started looking awfully good. Son is engaged to marry, what can one do? I am wishing them all the best. Some things are just not any of our business. I think Mini is right on this one. Wall paper the house.</p>

<p>Let me start by saying that I did not have a good childhood or relationship with my mom and was basically looking for a way out since the age of 9 or 10. That is obviously a different case with your DD. I was also EXTREMELY stubborn and anti-authority in my own way.</p>

<p>I started dating my ex-husband my sophmore year in HS and being stubborn, the more my mom complained or criticized, the more I defended him and set my sights on him. In all I gave him 15 years of my life, 8 dating and 7 married. We had a long distance relationship while I was in college (me in Ohio, he in SC in USAF). He was also two years older than me.</p>

<p>If someone had mentioned marriage to me at the age of 19, I would have said ok, let’s set the date. As it was, I was still married by the age of 22 and still in college. (Stressful year, my ex was in the first Gulf War and returned only to have my mom have a massive stroke 2 weeks later.) I was at the point where I probably would have broken up but the stressors sort of bound us together. My own needs seemed selfish at the time. So we had a quickie wedding at the JOP over Spring Break, got the marriage licenses same day as he was active duty military.</p>

<p>Of course my parents were right all along but I could not see it at the time. My friends actually saw it too (how controlling he was) but none of them really said anything about it for fear of hurting my feelings. At the time, the opinions of my friends would have really mattered more than my parents. In your case, I think you have to assume your DD is getting feedback from her friends regarding her bf. Just out of curiousity, does she mix her college friends with her bf? If she keeps the two lives seperate, that may be signaling her true feelings. (i.e. only sees the bf when she comes home vs. having him over to campus).</p>

<p>The biggest effect it had on my life at the time when I was in college was the fact that I started altering MY life plans around him. Had plans to go to med school, that changed. Had strong instructor recommendations for grad school, I got pregnant 6 weeks after we got married.</p>

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<p>That won’t matter to boys, they still ask. Love might sneak up on her though, if they are friends first. It depends on how diligent your daughter is at following “the rules” of long distance relationships. Does getting lunch count? Study partners? Walking across campus together? Hanging out in dorm rooms of opposite sex (I lived in co-ed dorm)? My ex was very controlling and FORBADE me from having guy friends and would get very jealous. Of course I did what I wanted on a “friends” level. I was probably pretty good at giving out the “not interested” vibe but that still didn’t stop them from asking. This was even though I lived in the Honors dorm where the social skills of the boys were less than refined. (Sorry boys, but it’s true.)</p>

<p>I SO wish I had done things differently now looking back, but then I wouldn’t have gotten my kids out of it so things have a way of working out.</p>

<p>Not trying to be stereotypical, but on the issue of your DD’s bf being a “safe” choice and dramatic and not pressuring her for sex, is there a chance that he is gay? Not saying straight boys all pressure for sex but I have seen several girls go for the safe bf in HS who later turns out to be gay. I have had to counsel two of my DD’s friends who were crushed and said “do you think I turned them gay?” to which I responded, “no, honey, you just need better gaydar.” This may not even be remotely true with your DD’s bf but I have seen it enough in my lifetime that it makes me wonder.</p>