New Details in the Zimmerman-Martin Controversy

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<p>Nonsense. I cannot image many of the police officers being more than small children in the 1960s and 1950s. Jim Crow didn’t influence anything about this case.</p>

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<p>We don’t know. The police didn’t have him tested. We do, however, know that Trayvon was neither drunk nor high, because the police DID see fit to test him, post mortem. </p>

<p>razorsharp, you don’t need to know the term “Jim Crow” to know that its influence lives on.</p>

<p>And then there’s this… [Geraldo</a> Rivera – Trayvon Martin Wearing a Hoodie as Much to Blame as Zimmerman (VIDEO)](<a href=“http://mrmokelly.com/2012/03/geraldo-rivera-travon-martin-wearing-a-hoodie-as-much-to-blame-as-zimmerman-video/]Geraldo”>Geraldo Rivera – Trayvon Martin Wearing a Hoodie as Much to Blame as Zimmerman (VIDEO) | The World of Mr. Mo'Kelly)</p>

<p>The majority of sweatshirts made ARE hoodies. I’m wearing a hoodie, all I own are hoodies. All most young people wear are hoodies. I just went to the store to look for a new sweatshirt (literally just got back) and they were ALL hoodies. </p>

<p>I don’t believe for a second that it was the “hoodie” that set Zimmerman off.</p>

<p>^^ Agreed. And the fact that it was raining gives ample reason to have his hood up. I wear my hood up all the time as it just seems more comfortable to me, even if it’s not raining.</p>

<p>Remember this film? It won the Oscar for best documentary in 2000. </p>

<p>A white tourist was shot and killed in Florida by a black man, and the police pulled over the first person they saw who “fit the description”, a young kid walking his dog, and ended up charging him with the murder. One of the bad detectives was African American, the other was white, and they both colluded to convict that innocent kid (including beating him). </p>

<p>The film is at times heartbreaking, and at other times quite uplifting and heroic. The kid, his family and the public defender are all just wonderful and inspiring. The filmmakers too, without whom we wouldn’t have heard the whole story. </p>

<p>[Murder</a> on a Sunday Morning (2001) - IMDb](<a href=“http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0307197/]Murder”>Murder on a Sunday Morning (2001) - IMDb)</p>

<p>Geraldo has since apologized for his remarks.</p>

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<p>In short…it is not only a mealymouthed apology at best…it also misses the larger point by continuing to blame the victim(or anyone wearing a hoodie) rather than focusing on the actions of the shooter…</p>

<p>My son is now a teenager and has that sloppy way of walking and carrying himself. His best friend is black, 6’2 at 13 and also has that sloppy way about him. I tell them both all the time to leave the hoodies off and I won’t apologize for that. When they are wearing them and slouching around they look like they are hiding their faces and there are some people who are threatened by that. The fact that they are both 13 year olds who will still lay in their moms’ laps notwithstanding, they don’t need to incite anyone. Wear baseball caps instead. Feel free to rag on me. I do not care.</p>

<p>I agree with you zoosermom. I was one of those moms who would not allow her Ds to wear mid-riff baring tops and <em>cheek</em> revealing shorts because of how it might be interpreted by and tempting to some creepy adult males. Feel free to rag on me. I do not care.</p>

<p>I think Geraldo meant well, bless his heart.</p>

<p>I am no lover of Geraldo, but if I had a young male of any color, but especially of color, at home I would advise him to keep his hands in sight and his hood down and his pants up when walking in town. I think ‘wannabe’ when I see that but others think differently.</p>

<p>This incident makes me sick, and I sincerely hope that the apparently biased police suffer the most severe penalty.</p>

<p>Yes, Bay, during the horrendous middle school era of the Brittany Spears and Christina Aguilera outfits, I took to telling my daughter, who is a performer, “That is not an outfit, that is a costume!” </p>

<p>this became a family joke. Of epic hillarity, at some points, I might add.</p>

<p>But it diffused the tension and she learned to dress appropriately for the situation, be it stage, class, or party.</p>

<p>Now, in addition to performing, she actually designs costumes and makes a living at it, even in college… Who knew?</p>

<p>I don’t think people should be so attached to an item of clothing that they wear it to their detriment. Clothing should be representative of nothing.</p>

<p>So college t-shirts and those t-shirts that say "I’m with stupid----> " should be avoided? </p>

<p>jk</p>

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They’re fine with the hood down!</p>

<p>and as long as they cover the midriff.</p>

<p>Hey, maybe one of those "I’m with stupid —> " t-shirts would be a splendid gift idea for the upcoming family celebration, zoos ;)</p>

<p>I was shocked a few years ago at the way HS girls were dressing at school. </p>

<p>Laurence McDonald had Joe Oliver on his show last night, and he and two others grilled him for an extended period of time. I was annoyed at certain points by the badgering/interrupting, but the interview established several points. Oliver is not a close friend of Zimmerman’s, he is only an acquaintance. He does not have any real knowledge of Zimmerman’s character, and admitted that his support was based on his “gut feeling.” One thing that I didn’t know is that Oliver and Zimmerman work at the same company, although no details were provided on this. Oliver said that he wasn’t working now, and he denied being paid for the Zimmerman PR. It’s not clear how he became the Zimmerman spokesperson.</p>

<p>Oh, no, is there another zoosermom family celebration coming up?</p>

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True story, Jym. My sister pulled a stunt the day before yesterday and I thought of you. I told my D, who was on the receiving end, that I knew someone from an online forum who would really appreciate that story.</p>