Not a big deal, but it does make me wonder

<p>DonnaL, I paint portraits when I’m not being an architect. Interesting features is good! Your face is a bit more chisels than an average woman, but you didn’t look masculine at all to me. </p>

<p>One thing that this reminds me of is when Anita Hill complained about Clarence Thomas every woman I knew had experienced something annoying from men and therefore found her account entirely plausible. While most of the men I knew couldn’t imagine why she would have stayed quiet for so long. I hope young women are standing up for themselves more now.</p>

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<p>Thank you, Bullet! I have no problem with you knocking the wind out of a creepy grabber (or two).</p>

<p>Yes, thank you Bullet.</p>

<p>As a more “mature” female who has had time to get over some socialization, I have spoken up when I’ve seen men harassing women and ignoring their protests or discomfort. I use my best Mom Voice and say something like, “Take your hand off of her right now,” or “The young woman told you to leave her alone.” It works. I haven’t found myself in a situation where I felt that I was putting myself in danger by doing this.</p>

<p>OK, I have another question about an appropriate reaction to something unexpected – this time to something that happened a couple of weeks ago. </p>

<p>I’ve been reluctant to bring it up, because I know how difficult it must be for other women around my age to imagine themselves as missing all but the last 5 or 6 years of their experience of being publicly perceived as female. </p>

<p>Anyway, I was headed home from the office one evening, walking to the nearest subway station on 6th Avenue. After I got there, but before I went down the stairs to get on the subway, I stopped for a couple of minutes and stood on the sidewalk (off to the side so I wasn’t in anyone’s way) so I could check my pda to find out the score of the Yankees game (since, after all, I can’t check it once I’m on the subway!). So I was standing there minding my own business, looking up the game, and all of a sudden this middle-aged man walking in my direction on the sidewalk paused in front of me and said “You’re so beautiful, you know?” After a second or two (during which I just stood there frozen in surprise), he kept on walking.</p>

<p>My instinctive reaction when it happened was complete surprise, mixed in with a substantial element of fear. I’m 55 years old, even if I do look younger, and I’m hardly a movie star in appearance in the best of circumstances – and, for that matter, it wasn’t the best of circumstances, because I happened to be wearing my glasses rather than my contact lenses that day! And, after all, strange men don’t generally compliment me on the street. I’ve heard it referred to as “middle-aged invisibility”! In fact, I don’t remember anything similar ever happening before, not counting guys handing out leaflets on the streets calling me “gorgeous” or “beautiful” (which I assume they do to all women), or taxi drivers and gas station and parking lot attendants calling me similar things (which I also assume they do to all women).</p>

<p>So my second reaction, upon reflection, was that the guy was either making fun of me or deranged, and couldn’t possibly have been serious. </p>

<p>But then when I got home and told my son about it, he suggested that perhaps the guy did mean it, and that since he didn’t say anything obscene or otherwise harass me, I should just take it as a compliment and feel positive about it, regardless of whether I actually have any interest in men in general (something of an open issue at this point). And should stop assuming that anyone who compliments me must be out of their mind. </p>

<p>How would any of you have felt if that had happened to you? (Assuming for the sake of argument that you were a middle-aged woman who was usually – and thankfully – invisible to strange men. Of course, unlike me, most of you at least have some past experience to draw upon of being a young woman who did have men pay attention to her in public, whether those attentions were perceived as harassment or not. The absence of that kind of past experience, I think, is what makes it so difficult for me to know how to react even to such trivial incidents as this one, and causes me to hyper-analyze them in a way that I’m sure most of you would consider an overreaction.)</p>

<p>Donna</p>

<p>I agree with your son. At my age (52), I would take a remark given in that manner as a compliment. (And from the picture you once posted, you <em>are</em> beautiful!)</p>

<p>Donna, I lived in Manhattan once upon a time. Most women (of any age) who live in a major city and use public transportation get used to the occasional comment out of left field and learn to just ignore, ignore, ignore. Of course, no rule that you can’t feel flattered, but I highly discourage you from giving anyone who would approach you in this way the time of day.</p>

<p>Donna, the man thought you are beautiful. He wanted nothing but to tell you. No reaction was required.</p>

<p>Cheers!</p>

<p>yes i would defiantely take that!!!</p>

<p>Do you look like German Chancellor Angela Merkel? You might have just met our ex-president!</p>

<p>I also would just take it as a compliment, as long as the man left me alone after. There are a lot of eccentric men in this town (and women too!), so I’m not surprised by this story. I have all kinds of mini-conversations in the course of my day, with complete strangers, although sadly, no one has been struck with my beauty like that.</p>

<p>There’s been a picture of Donna shared?? How did I miss this?</p>

<p>I think that while whistles and so on are a nuisance at best, and threatening at worst, for young women, it can really put a smile on one’s face to get a nice, heartfelt compliment from a stranger in the street, especially as we age.</p>

<p>I do remember one sweet moment from my college years. My a cappella group and I were gathering in the campus subway station on the way to a black-tie gig. This was probably 5 p.m. on a weeknight, and I was in full-length clingy black velvet with cap sleeves, stage makeup, updo. We were missing dinner, so I went to the fruit stand for a smoothie, and the man at the stand did a literal double take and blurted: “You’re beautiful!” Well, it was nice to get that along with my smoothie!</p>

<p>Donna herself posted a link to a photo some time ago.</p>

<p>Just in case anyone thought I might be getting a swelled head, a rather deranged-looking elderly man came up to me on the subway platform tonight and called me an “ugly old b***h.”</p>

<p>I guess these things even out.</p>

<p>But I don’t know what it is with me and strangers lately.</p>

<p>“Anyway, I was headed home from the office one evening, walking to the nearest subway station on 6th Avenue. After I got there, but before I went down the stairs to get on the subway, I stopped for a couple of minutes and stood on the sidewalk (off to the side so I wasn’t in anyone’s way) so I could check my pda to find out the score of the Yankees game (since, after all, I can’t check it once I’m on the subway!). So I was standing there minding my own business, looking up the game, and all of a sudden this middle-aged man walking in my direction on the sidewalk paused in front of me and said “You’re so beautiful, you know?” After a second or two (during which I just stood there frozen in surprise), he kept on walking.”</p>

<p>Sometimes something happens like this – even to women “of a certain age” and it is magical and sincere. </p>

<p>The last time I went grocery shopping with my late mother, when my mom was a short distance away, a woman – 30something or so - came up to me and said, “Is that your mother? She’s the most beautiful woman I’ve ever seen.” My mother was 84. She glowed when I told her the compliment she had received. </p>

<p>It was the guy whom you described in post #53 who was deranged.</p>

<p>One of the unfortunate things about a woman alone in NYC (a city that I love) is that you may need to stop riding the subway alone. Take a cab. I don’t think I would do it anymore unless I couldn’t get a ride in a cab (I am about your age.) </p>

<p>I never liked the subway, but when I was young I had the energy for the harassers (who are always not far away in the Big Apple.) I would definitely move away fast if someone touched me in an obviously improper way… Now I generally don’t say anything. I am a small woman, and for a lot of my life I would have had a big mouth to strangers. However, my H,who is a big man, said I was nuts, and that someone could hit me or worse and I finally learned not to confront people verbally, which I generally think is better. FWIW.</p>

<p>anothermom, I agree with you that verbal confrontation isn’t necessarily a great idea. After that man came up to me the other night and insulted me, he stared at me for what felt like a minute, even though it was probably no more than 5 or 10 seconds. I was very tempted to say something to him. “Have you looked in a mirror lately? You’re no prize yourself,” and, more succinctly, “Go f yourself, you old b-----d,” were the two responses that came immediately to mind. (I can have a big mouth too, sometimes.) But at the same time, I was very conscious of what a small woman I am, just like you, and that even though he looked elderly, he was still considerably larger. And I was afraid that if I did say something, given the way he was staring at me (rather aggressively, I thought), he might try to push me onto the tracks, or pull out a knife and stab me, or even just spit at me or the like. None of which I really wanted to happen! And nobody else was nearby. So I kept my mouth shut, and broke eye contact and looked down at the ground, and he moved on. Saying something loudly about rats and NYC Transit Authority workers.</p>

<p>So, clearly, he was deranged. Still, it’s no fun being singled out for public insult, especially in what felt like a somewhat threatening way.</p>

<p>But I don’t want anyone to get the wrong impression about the New York city subways. I do feel perfectly safe 99% of the time, even at night. And the ability to take the subway to work every morning, and home every night, instead of driving or taking a New Jersey Transit bus, was one of the main reasons I moved back to the City several months ago. I do take a cab home if I’m working past 11 or 11:30 pm, but it’s because I’m so tired, and want to get home as quickly as possible, more than out of safety concerns. Besides, I’d be broke very quickly if I took a cab home every night!</p>

<p>I promise you, the subways are infinitely safer now than they were back in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s, when I used to ride them back and forth between mid-town Manhattan and Riverdale every day to get to school, from the time I was 12, and was mugged a number of times by older and considerably larger teenagers, once at the point of a knife. And always in daytime. There’s no comparison.</p>

<p>It isn’t only in or near the subways that strangers approach me. I would guess that people come up to me on the street to ask directions, two or three times a week. That’s been happening for some years now. Maybe the fact that I’m a small, middle-aged woman, and, I imagine, look comparatively safe and unthreatening, is at least part of the explanation for the approaches. Of all kinds. </p>

<p>I suppose it’s probably just pure chance, like flipping a coin and getting heads several times in a row, that makes it seem that there’s been an increase in the last few weeks. I know that I benefit, for the most part, from what a woman who’s a friend of mine and is around my age calls “middle-aged female invisibility.” As I think I’ve mentioned before, I have a friend who transitioned at a young age, and was flattered at first by the public male attention she received, but soon tired of it, especially, of course, the harassing kind. As much as I regret, at times, not transitioning when I first really considered it, in my early 20’s, and wonder how my life would have turned out if I’d done so, I know perfectly well that being a young woman in New York City – especially a young trans woman, back in the mid-1970’s – wouldn’t have exactly been a bed of roses. (Not to mention the obvious about what I could never have had, and would never give up even if I had to live the same life over again 100 times.)</p>

<p>In any event, as comparatively invisible as I am, I’m still a lot less invisible in public than I once was – there are few things more invisible than being a 5’ 2" man – and it’s one of the changes I’ve had to get used to in the last five years. </p>

<p>One of the hardest things to get used to, oddly enough, has been getting compliments on my appearance, whether publicly from strangers or privately from people I know. Of course it’s flattering, and validating, and makes me feel happy, and I think it’s extremely sweet when my son tells me he thinks I look pretty, or that when he sees me now he finds it very difficult to believe – even though he knows it as well as anyone – that I wasn’t always this way. But there’s also still an automatic instinct to disbelieve compliments like that, and think people don’t mean them (which, as I said, was my initial reaction when that man complimented me on the sidewalk.) I’m much more likely to believe an insult like the one I received recently. Why? Probably because it takes a while to get past decades of low self-esteem about one’s appearance. I do think I was [reasonably</a> presentable](<a href=“http://farm1.static.■■■■■■■■■■/129/375097408_247ab9bdec_m.jpg]reasonably”>http://farm1.static.■■■■■■■■■■/129/375097408_247ab9bdec_m.jpg) as a small child of 3, but I could count on the fingers of one hand the number of compliments I received on my appearance from the time I was about 13 until I was in my late 40’s and started presenting as myself. </p>

<p>Certainly none from my former spouse; my looks weren’t really what she found attractive about me. There’s no doubt that I was very ordinary- looking as a guy (for many years I thought I was affirmatively ugly), and being as short as I was obviously didn’t help. Nor, of course, did my gender issues. So I think it’s understandable that receiving compliments on occasion in the last few years (not constantly, I assure you – I am 55!) has been very difficult to get used to, and that I’ll never take them for granted. Even though I’ve had enough people tell me that I’ve become [reasonably</a> presentable](<a href=“http://farm4.static.■■■■■■■■■■/3097/2629604702_bb559afc64_m.jpg]reasonably”>http://farm4.static.■■■■■■■■■■/3097/2629604702_bb559afc64_m.jpg) again since I transitioned, that I suppose it might actually be true. Even if my features are more defined, or sharp, or whatever the term was, than most women’s. Certainly, I no longer worry that I look like a guy. (Being small obviously helps with that. No matter what my face looked like, if I were 6’2" and weighed 240 pounds, instead of 5’2" and 120, I’d have trouble blending in.) And I’ve finally accepted that even though I’ll never be happy about my nose – what with having long since internalized Northern European standards of beauty – it doesn’t make people think I’m a man. </p>

<p>(By the way, my hair doesn’t look nearly as nice these days as it does there – I haven’t had it cut or otherwise taken care of in more than a year, and I’m way overdue. Nowadays, I always keep it in a ponytail. Or cover it up with a [baseball</a> cap](<a href=“http://farm2.static.■■■■■■■■■■/1103/1373678535_592634c73a_m.jpg]baseball”>http://farm2.static.■■■■■■■■■■/1103/1373678535_592634c73a_m.jpg).) </p>

<p>I try not to take myself, or my transition, too seriously, or make it all out to be a bigger deal than it was. I know how extremely fortunate I am that I’ve never had to deal with the “it’s a dude!!” kind of comment from passersby. (If I ever got a comment like that, I’d still, even now, probably feel like going home, pulling the covers over my head, and never going out again.) But what I’ve experienced is still an experience that few people have, and even this one small aspect of it is very difficult to describe in a way that most can even begin to understand or empathize, or realize that I’m not fishing for compliments here. As welcome as they always are! :slight_smile: Internalized self-hatred, and low self-esteem, aren’t so easy to get rid of. As much progress as I’ve made in the last 8 or 9 years.</p>

<p>Hmm…there was one time where a guy did slap my behind. I was young. I ran home to my dad, crying.</p>

<p>Now? Hell no. I wouldn’t let a guy touch me like that. You just have to give them the evil eye and be prepared to get that mace out.</p>

<p>Much more than “reasonably presentable,” Donna. You are lovely. I’d kill (well, no) for cheekbones like yours!</p>

<p>Donna, you are very nice-looking. And I love your nose. :)</p>

<p>While it’s always nice to be told “you’re beautiful”, I feel that, in the circumstances described, the man behaved inappropriately. It is odd to go up to someone who is off to the side busy with a PDA in the first place, and odder still to make such a proclamation. I would probably say thank you and try to send a message nonverbally that his advances are not welcome. It just seems weird to me. It might be different if he said it in line at the grocery store or somewhere that feels more safe. The side of the street near a subway entrance is not really a safe zone.</p>