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Instagram ND Admissions has all āREAL TIMEā Stats.
Interesting. We were advised to send only one LOR to ND, that they absolutely do not look at more than one plus GC/school report. In fact, son requested 2 be sent and his guidance counselor canceled one in Naviance.
The advice to deferred students also says not to send any other LOR. I really wish my kidās Latin teacherās excellent LOR could be reviewed by them. Sigh.
Congrats to your kid!
Common App requires 1 Letter.
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The advice to deferred students was ādo NOT send additional letters of recommendation.ā āNotā was in all caps, so I think itās pretty clear they do not want any more letters sent.
When my son visited this summer the admissions rep was very, very adamant about not sending any more letters than what was listed in the Common App.
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My 2022 was admitted into engineering and his LOR didnāt come from math teacher so that isnāt an absolute.
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Fingers crossed for your son!
Yep, same and, as I mentioned, HS GC said, in their experience, it would harm, not help.
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Our GC said the ND area rep specifically told them just one LOR consistent with the admissions blog and email saying deferred should NOT (all caps) submit another LOR, pp saying they were told 3 (and got in) and a friendās son (got in) also had 2ā¦all of this makes it seem like not everyone at ND is on the same page about LORs?!
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Not on same page, for sure. It indicates an inequity in play that is, honestly, upsetting. My son feels he has nothing to lose by addressing this inequity with ND admissions so we shall see what they say.
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Yesāthis mixed messaging is confusing and frustrating.
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I second this. D22 is in Engineering and neither of her LoR was from a math teacher.
While agreeing on the overall message of your post, if the school does indeed not rank, then how does one get a rank? Again, in my D22 case, her school didnāt rank and so she never had a rank and obviously couldnāt report one. It makes sense that if there is no rank you canāt submit one.
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Some of your info is easily fact checked. Some schools do not assign any rank so it is impossible to know other than educated guess on admissions based on the school report and, sometimes, those kids get admitted as I can personally attest. In the Common Data Set, it indicates over 1/3 of admitted ND students last year didnāt submit a test score.
It is easy to be sanguine about inequities when you have materially benefitted from them. Perhaps, you can recognize that you are describing an advantage you received while still be understandably excited for your child.
Again, congrats. The admitted parents group on Facebook are excellent and helpful.
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I would add that the local recruiter should be telling potential candidates the same information as the large admissions department. I am baffled that anyone would not see this discrepancy as a problem when college admissions have such high stakes.
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There are many factors in the admission decision and there are innumerable combinations on how these factors contribute to a final outcome. Each applicant should obviously do everything they can to influence factors within their control, while understanding there are others they canāt control.
During a visit on admitted student day, I was carrying my D22ās backpack (with her schoolās name on it) walking through McKenna Hall (admissions) when one of the admissions folks called out the school name and told us welcome. I was taken aback a bit and asked the person if they were from our area (Mid-Atlantic US). The person said no, but that they were the admission person for the region. We knew D22ās school had a strong profile, but was still surprised to get a shout out like that. For added context, the school was by no means a feeder school for ND. It had three students enrolled at ND over the previous five years. But it would seem to me, based on that interaction, the school profile had some factor in the decision to admit.
Long story short, it is impossible to pinpoint a decision to specific factors like LoR coming from a math teacher, class rank, or test score/test optional. Control what you can, but understand you canāt fully influence the outcome with your effort.
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Never, ever, ever take advice from random internet personas when youāre equally involved in a competitive process and when that person would benefit from you relying upon misinformation. Plus, if you read that guyās post history heās on the Penn State Early Action page bragging about how his kids barely contribute to their own applications. Heās either completely lying everywhere or unabashedly cheating:
"BOTH my sons HAD ZERO ZILCH NADA to do with their application process, EXCEPT in formulating thoughts for essays. They were too deep in APās, ECs etc. but as āHigh Statsā kids our āprivate paid college consultantā told us for them essays donāt even get looked at.
Yeah this a reality we deal with.
This alot of work, not to be undertaken by a 17 year old with a full schedule. I have FULL portal and email access to all schools applied then Accepted too, I maintain all the spreadsheets, I coordinate the campus visits, air, hotel, campus appointments all done by me. Then I get their input and go on from there."
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I agree. My little bro just got accepted into CS and his letter was from his history teacher.
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