Octogenarian romances? Who has had experience with this with their parents/in-laws?

Dh and I went to visit mil for Mother’s Day this past weekend. Ds drove in from a different state to celebrate as well. Sister-in-law (Dh’s sister) lives in the same town as mil. My nephew (sil’s only child) was not there as he was on a vacation. But, essentially, this is the nuclear family gathered ‘round.

Mil: “I have a little secret to share with you all.”

Us: “Oh?” (We have NO idea what she is going to say)

Mil: “I’ve been chatting with an old high school classmate.”

A guy. I can’t remember what exactly was said next, but they are considering pursuing dating. He actually lives in the town where we live. She is about 2 hours and 45 minutes away. They are 86 years old.

Here is the kicker: He’s still married to wife #4!! Mil and he have mutually decided they should not get together F2F until this divorce is finalized at the end of May. My fil passed away almost seven years ago.

This all came as a big surprise. Mil said, “Well, one problem is Bob (not his real name) really likes to be married.” That’s how she told us he’d been married four times and was still legally married.

Per Bob, wife #4 is the one who filed, and her children never wanted her to marry him. But, who knows? They have been married a little over seven years. He was married to wife #3 for 17 years. She passed away in 2015, and he married #4 about a year and a half later. We know nothing about wives #1 and #2 other than #1 was the mother of his two children. We do know the marriage endings have been:

Divorced
Divorced
Died
Divorced (per him, she filed)

Sil was pretty freaked out. Honestly, if the word, “pre-nup” had been the drinking game word, we would have all been passed out drunk because she said it a LOT. They have only been, “talking,” for a couple of weeks. He wants her to go with him on a transatlantic cruise on the Queen Mary II.

Dh is not concerned because he is not a stranger from the internet. Sil and I have done quite a bit of reconnaissance, and we don’t think he is poor and after her money. Not that mil has a ton of money, but she is in good shape financially. Our research shows he has his own $. I think this is what helped sil settle down. So, both of those are pros. The con (for me) is he is already pursuing mil while still married to wife #4.

They talk on the phone every day. She said she had told him she couldn’t talk to him over the weekend because we were all in town, and she would be spending time with us. But, we know she did twice on Saturday. We were all elsewhere for a couple of hours in the afternoon and I heard her through the guest bathroom wall as I was washing my face and brushing my teeth getting ready for bed. Which was fine as it didn’t take any time away from us. But, they were texting constantly. Sil was irritated. “Mom! You have company. Put the phone down! You’re acting like you are in junior high! We are all sitting right here. Be present with us!” She really kind of was acting like a teenager - very giggly and giddy about it.

Mil leaves for a vacation with sil and two friends on June 10th, so idk if Bob and she will try to connect in that nine-day window between the finalized divorce and mil’s vacation or not. Sil had settled down a bit when we saw her on Sunday at her house (alone). She now thinks it will fizzle out/nothing will become of it. I’m concerned he is one of the men from that era who needs a woman to take care of him. Which, I don’t think she will do. Sil doesn’t either.

I know it seems we are ahead of ourselves, but when mil is saying things like taking a transatlantic cruise and using the words, “living in sin,” after only two weeks of recent communication, it does seem a bit concerning??? I think she is very flattered by the attention from Bob (and the subsequent attention from us after telling us). Also there was something to the effect that he’s telling her at their ages they don’t have time to waste (I think she agrees).

Soooo, what sort of experiences have you had with your families or seen with friends’ families with this kind of situation? I want mil to be happy, and if this makes her happy, I am all in. But, I don’t want her to act hastily and wind up unhappy. I guess as long as no major life decisions are made, it should be fine. She has a neighbor (though about 15 years younger) with a long-time boyfriend, and it works well. I guess part of me would really also like to know how his relationships with his two adult children are.

It definitely made for a much more interesting mil visit than usual!!

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It’s happened twice in my family.

Maternal grandfather married his older sister’s friend a few years after my grandmother passed. (Not a childhood friend). They seemed very much in love. She was by far the wealthier and her kids ended up with part of his money but that was kind of accidental—they had bought a condo together and didn’t protect his contribution as they expected her to pass first due to known medical conditions but she outlived him.

Paternal grandmother had been divorced for decades and married someone she had known fairly well for a couple of years. They were also deeply in love. Large income disparity (he was much wealthier) and his kids hated the marriage but he died unexpectedly due to a hospital error a couple of years after they were married and I’m pretty sure she didn’t benefit financially once the marriage ended.

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My parents had no interest in anyone else, nor did my in laws, so we never encountered these issues. My BIL has several women interested in him. He’s a widower and in his 70s and very comfortable financially. He seems to be pretty grounded and hasn’t been talking about getting re-married, ever. No idea if he will eventually or not. His D is hoping to inherit assets (especially a place to live in SF) from him. She is his only child and mother to his own grandchild.

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I’m not sure he likes to “be” married as he’s been divorced three times. I think he likes to GET married. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I’d be a little freaked out and would insist on a prenup – am I your SIL? Who is paying for this trip? Each their own way? But, overall, I’d be happy that she’s happy and would try to keep my emotions in check if she otherwise is capable of making good decisions. Is each of them still driving? How will they see each other? I’d get SIL to be in on a meet-up, if they need driving help, as she’s most skeptical and keeps you out of it!

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I’d be very freaked about and would also beg her to get a prenup as things can easily go south, as he seems to love “being in love,” even when he’s already married. I’d want a prolonged courtship so she can see how he behaves when the love isn’t as fresh and new as it appears to be at the moment—does he start wandering? If they both have mental capacity, I can’t see how anyone can INSIST that MIL do anything unless MIL wants to.

I’d be very very concerned and also curious about how they are planning on paying for things going forward and how they will get around—whether either or both of them are safe to drive or how they plan to get together as they live a good distance apart.

Does MIL have any chronic health issues? How is her judgment about other things? Who handles her finances?

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I would stay out of it, once I was sure that MIL was not suffering from early stage dementia or taking meds which impaired her judgment. And I would find a tactful way to ascertain if she had a will (although wills can be changed in a matter of days).

Otherwise- I’d butt out. You are opening a can of worms you don’t want to open once you get in the middle of what is either a fling, a relationship, or a potential marriage. Your SIL is an adult- so she can either interfere or keep quiet, that’s on her. But there is ZERO upside to you and your H getting involved as long as MIL is not impaired cognitively-- and as long as it doesn’t appear that she’s buying the guy a boat with her pension.

The situations I’ve seen (close enough family and friends so I had a front row seat) all involved some version of “you break it, you buy it”. As in- 'You ruined my last chance at happiness and independence. So I’m moving in with you so you can take care of me after my hip surgery. Harold would have taken care of me of course- but you guys scared him off/were downright hostile to him-- so he’s out of the picture."

And the hip surgery becomes the “guest” who never leaves. And it’s all your fault. Unless your plan is to have MIL come live with you- stay out of it! Interfering never ends well. Stay engaged enough so you see the warning signs (she’s buying an apartment in Lisbon because he speaks Portuguese and always wanted to live there) but keep your mouth shut for now. Do you want a resentful, angry, lonely MIL in your living room every morning when you wake up, who is waiting for you to make her breakfast? I’m guessing no.

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The driving logistics are going to be tricky. I know mil would never drive herself up here alone. I’m not sure he’s good driving on the interstate either! So, there are definitely some logistical challenges. Sil clearly stated to dh and me that she would not drive mil up here. But one of her friends might. I have the feeling he would come to mil’s place first. She has already said he would be staying with her if he does. His son lives in a town near us, so I suppose he could drive Bob down if he won’t drive himself???

I have no idea who would pay for the cruise. She did say to ds and me that if she starts dating him she’s going to start spending some of her money. We both said she should! I assume that means on travel, but idk. She needs to loosen up in that regard anyway. I think this is the real issue with sil. She may be counting on or at least hoping for an inheritance.

I have the advantage of mostly being a spectator.

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There are ubers. There are well meaning but gossipy friends who would love nothing more than to provide transportation for a “date” (whether for dinner or a weekend). This for sure is not your problem.

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Mil is in very good shape both physically and mentally. I mean, she has some general age-related forgetfulness and certainly isn’t a tech genius but no major impairment at all.

She handles all her day-to-day finances, though my dh manages her investing and does her tax returns for her. She has a teacher pension and social security plus some investment income. Her home and low-mileage car are both paid for. Honestly, since dh has taken over handling her investments, her wealth and even her annual income have both increased since fil passed away.

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I’m assuming by “handling” this means your husband sees her statements?

If so- the situation seems very low risk. Most scammers don’t start at $50K. They need a “bridge loan” of $3K for “an unexpected tax bill- my accountant miscalculated my estimated tax on my K-1”. This makes it sound very high end- “just” 3K, just for a month until he can liquidate some investments, plus he pays an accountant and has a K-1, wow, the guy has money.

So if your husband sees her accounts and doesn’t see something fishy- it’s all good. These scams escalate, so catching the first fishy transaction is key. And if it never comes- let them have dinners, take a cruise. And your SIL has to get used to the idea that PLENTY of people inherit NOTHING- after a decade or more of supporting an elderly parent. So she’s in better shape than they are, since MIL sounds financially independent! But that’s your SIL’s issue not yours.

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Wow. This is a really good perspective to keep in mind. Thank you.

My dh is not the type to interfere at all.

I don’t think sil and I are interfering. Well, I’m not. We are creeping online to get intel. I’m just nosy. My ds’s first question was, “When do we get to meet him?”

But, I will keep your words in mind if things progress to more of a relationship.

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Yes, dh can see all of her banking and investment accounts. Idk how often he looks at them.

I agree on the inheritance thing. No one is entitled to anything.

Oh, I’m not going to get into the business of transportation. I don’t view any of this as my problem or responsibility or anything.

I do love my mil and don’t want her to get hurt in any way. Honestly my fil was a jerk. She deserves to have some happiness as I don’t think she had much with him.

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Intel is great.

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Hearing that your MIL is in good shape physically and mentally and that your dh can see her accounts makes me feel much better about it all. I wish this guy hadn’t been married four times, but I’m not dating him so …

Your SIL sounds more distressed, which can come in handy. You get to be the reasonable one!

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Divorced
Beheaded
Dead
Divorced
Beheaded
Survived

Couldn’t help myself :rofl:

Yes I would be freaked out! Yes I would be snooping! Yes I would be annoyed if my parent was texting a still married man like she was 15!

I haven’t had any experience with my parents. I’m already borderline traumatized by my relative who continues to want to talk about their sex life as they are single at 60+. There are some things I don’t want to know. Or talk about!

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Hilarious. Poor Anne Boleyn…

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We had former law office clients that did this. Both local, though, and families knew each other well. There was a lot of amending trusts as new financial concerns came up, but they travel a lot, attend so many events together, and have a lot of fun. The kids just tried to keep up with all the activity and help keep finances in order. Health is slowing them down now, but they knew going into it, one would be caregiver again.

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And poor Catherine Howard who wasn’t even 20.

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They are adults. Why does anyone care what they do or don’t do? If there are any negative consequences to their decisions, that’s on them. Just smile and nod. None of anyone else’s business. (FWIW: My dad’s on #3.)

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