Octuplets' mom already has 6 young kids at home.

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<p>This is a very tragic story for her children. I do want to say, as the mom of triplets (naturally conceived)…Its really insulting to me, when people refer to multiples as litters. They aren’t kittens or puppies…they are little innocent babies who had no part in what their nutty mother chose to do. I once had my kids in the triplet stroller, taking the smallest to his therapies at the hospital…he has CP as a result of the delivery. We didnt choose to have triplets…in fact we had only planned on 1 possibly 2 kids…lol, but God had other plans for all of us! Anyway, back to the hospital story…these are my precious little babies, who I totally adore…a man got on the elevator looked down at the stroller and said with so much disgust, so…you didn’t have a baby, you had a f****g litter:(. I just started crying, it was like a slap in the face. The other people on the elevator were very sweet, and just as shocked by what he said. Maybe it isn’t a big deal for most people, but I do think its offensive to parents of multiples…That being said…OMG!! The woman is clearly mentally ill…and if she thinks she can raise 14 kids alone, she’s way crazier then I thought was possible. I had so much trouble being the kind of mom I wanted to be, when the babies were infants…It is really impossible to console 3 crying babies at one time. I used to spend tons of time, sitting on the floor, with the babies on a big blanket…just changing, feeding, changing and feeding, lol. It never ended. 2 of them were also colicky, so the crying was incessant. I was sleep deprived, and overwhelmed. My parents would come over, so I could take a nap. Seems like sleep was all I thought about, lol. We survived and the kids are awesome, but those first few years were wacky. I do not watch J & K+8, because it depresses me. I wasn’t excessively organized like Kate…maybe that could have helped me. Anyway, the hard work is done. Two are seniors in college now, and the last is home with mom and dad. He does well, but has multiple disabilities…He requires alot of time, and attention…we are his parents and he is very dependent on us to provide everything from, entertainment, to helping him continue to learn, to possibly trying to find a job…but wow…The idea of having more then 1 child with developmental issues, then intentionally going out and having supertwins (3 or more babies at once) makes my heart ache. I think the odds are just stacked against the lil babies merely, because each time one baby is delivered, the oxygen supply is cut off from the remaining ones. Even if it only takes 1 minute to deliver each…thats alot of lost oxygen to those infants.</p>

<p>So…anyway, my son and husband were watching a preview of the Ann Curry interview with me…and I said…omg, how in the world did she find time to go get her face injected? She looks so creepy. My husband said, whats wrong with that? I was like, umm…don’t you think she has way more important things to think about right now besides over-injecting her lips? haha…he said, but thats what her main problem is…she overdoes everything!! We can make fun of her, because she is putting herself out there …its what she wanted. I guess she didn’t expect such a horrible backlash against her, for her choices. I haven’t actually spoken to one person who doesn’t think what she and the doctor did is criminal. I do whole-heartedly pray that the state steps in to make sure those innocent babies are taken care of properly. I feel so strongly that 1 parent cannot take care of 14 kids under the age of 7. The idea that she thinks she’ll be waltzing off to school, while other people are struggling to care for all those kids is crazy…It won’t happen. She made these babies, so she needs to step up and be the main care-taker. She is 100% responsible for this situation.</p>

<p>We were’nt planning on triplets…lol, but it turns out it was the greatest gift of my life. Each of my kids have such individual personalities and gifts. I feel grateful that my husband and I were able to send 2 of them to excellent colleges…so we are sending out a couple of very productive adults into the world. The idea of just basic care of 14 kids, boggles the mind…let alone understanding the unique gifts that should be nurtured and encouraged as the babies begin to grow up. Oh brother, this situation is just so flippin sad.</p>

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<p>No, it’s not possible, starbright. Those embryos were all transferred at once (however many there were before any splitting into identical twins).</p>

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<p>papengena, I am the one who used the term, “litter,” and I am very sorry. I can see why you consider it insulting. You and your husband sound like wonderful parents, and I’m glad that things turned out so well after that very difficult start.</p>

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<p>I think it actually is possible starbright. There are twins of mixed races, that have been conceived by 2 different dads. I remember reading that when I was pregnant, lol. My neice had lukemia as a young woman, but before they did the treatment, they harvested some eggs and froze them, so she could possibly become a mother later on. I don’t really know how many eggs she had harvested, but her first pregnancy was 1 baby. A few years later, they went back to try for a second child and had twins:) Whats kind of cool is that these boys look identical!! All 3 of them…the oldest just looks like the older version of the twins. Technically speaking, I guess they could be considered triplets, since they were all harvested together…just implanted at diff times…umm…not sure bout that, lol. Anyway, it was a miracle that she had the kids, since they told her she’d probably end up sterile. In this case, modern medicine worked at its best.</p>

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<p>aww…thanks NYMom. You weren’t the only one, and I don’t expect everyone to feel bad for saying it. Its not something one would think about unless it affects you directly. So, I appreciate your apology. I know, no one means to be offensive;)</p>

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<p>papengena, Thank you for posting about your triplets. </p>

<p>starbright, I do expect so much more from the doctor. A fertility specialist should have a better and clearer understanding of what the risks are than the patient. The risks were the death of 9 human beings for starters. The fertility doctor is the one who knew the standard number of embryos to be implanted is one or two, but not six, or seven, or eight.</p>

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<p>At first, I suspected this woman had participated in a program that hyperstimulated the ovaries, but that did not use IVF. In this process, it is much harder to control the ovarian response and the number of eggs. Higher order multiples happen more frequently with this type of treatment. The McC septuplets and Jon & Kate’s sextuplets are a result of this type of fertility treatment. Those were not IVF babies.</p>

<p>Then when it became clear it WAS IVF, I just felt it had to have happened “south of the border,” or somewhere else out of the country. No reputable physician or clinic is transferring 6-8 embryos. And certainly not 6 embryos each time for at least six times (as this mother is claiming.) </p>

<p>However, now that there is an investigation ongoing in the state of California, it is just mind boggling. The physician and the embryologist, the social worker/counselor/psychologist…the WHOLE TEAM deserves to loose their licenses. The protocols set by The American Society of Reproductive Medicine and the Society for Assisted Reproductive Technology are clear, 1-2 embryos are to be transferred in a woman under 35. </p>

<p>Transferring 6 embryos 6+ times does not happen in a vacuum. There are many professionals involved. And now, the more the mother speaks, the more I think this was the same group of fertility providers repeating this over and over. As a GYN provider, I am mortified that this scenario was allowed to happen–6 embryos transferred on 6 different occasions over the course of a mere eight years; to a women with no significant other/partner who was on disability with injuries causing her to be too disabled to work. </p>

<p>The ethics of this situation will be the subject of investigations, medical school classes, books, and discussions for years. </p>

<p>DO YOU THNIK THIS SAME CLINIC PERFORMED THE ANGIE JOLIE LOOK ALIKE PLASTIC SURGERY???</p>

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<p>papaengena, natural conception of twins by two different fathers is a different matter than double transfer of embryos in the same cycle. Sperm can live in a woman for several days, and if two eggs are released, then fertilization of both by sperm from different men can occur. For the double transfer to have happened, this woman would have had to have frozen embryos at two different clinics (certainly possible). I believe that there are drugs involved in a frozen embryo cycle (I had one once, so I should remember, but I don’t), but if not there would at least be monitoring of hormone levels and the thickness of the uterine lining so that the right time for transfer could be identified. This could happen, I suppose. But the transfers are done by catheter, and invasion of the uterus by the second catheter could disturb implantation of the first set. Maybe sunnyflorida can weigh in on this? She is the expert.</p>

<p>Also, as far as I know it is not yet possible to freeze eggs for later use. The woman you heard about probably had fertilized eggs (embryos) frozen before her treatment. But my information on this might be out of date. It would be great if eggs could be frozen - eliminating some of the ethical problems.</p>

<p>Like sunnyflorida, I find it hard to believe that any US clinic would transfer as many as 6 embryos at once from a young woman.</p>

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<p>Hmm…It was my neice I was talking about. I’m not really exactly sure what it was they froze for future use then…but, I do know that she had ivf to have them implanted. I’ll have to ask my sister in law to explain it again, lol. The oldest boy is now 10 yrs old and the twins are 8.</p>

<p>Thanks for explaining that NYmom. I literally read that over 21 yrs ago, lol…now that I’m probably beginning meno- my memory is horrid!! lol.</p>

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<p>If it was 21 years ago, then it must have been embryos. It’s wonderful that she had 3 children from that cycle! My sister had IVF “triplets” from a single cycle, too. She had a single child, then the frozen embryo transfer yielded twins.</p>

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<p>Is it not possible that she’s lying about nearly everything. So much so that no one really knows the truth any more. Unless the fertility specialists are total quacks, she may have lied to them, too. And what about the disability? It would seem that if she was injured enough to not be able to work, all those pregnancies and certainly the last one would have incapacitated her much more seriously. I know friends who have come out one normal pregnancy with permanent back issues.</p>

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<p>No matter what lie she may have told her doctors, implanting six embryos is b eyond the pale.</p>

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<p>"OS ANGELES (AP) — The mother of the woman who used a fertility doctor to give birth to octuplets, despite already having six young children, called her daughter’s actions “unconscionable” in an interview posted online Sunday.</p>

<p>Angela Suleman is caring for the six older children while her daughter is hospitalized after giving birth Jan. 26 to the octuplets.</p>

<p>“She already has six beautiful children, why would she do this?” Angela Suleman said in the videotaped interview with celebrity news Web site RadarOnline.com. “I’m struggling to look after her six. We had to put in bunk beds, feed them in shifts and there’s children’s clothing piled all over the house.”…</p>

<p>Angela Suleman said Nadya’s boyfriend was the biological father of all 14 children, but that she refused to marry him.</p>

<p>“He was in love with her and wanted to marry her,” she said. “But Nadya wanted to have children on her own.”…</p>

<p>Angela Suleman said she and her husband pleaded with Nadya’s first fertility doctor not to treat their daughter again, so Nadya found another doctor to work with.</p>

<p>“I’m really angry about that,” Angela Suleman said of the doctor’s decision to perform the procedure.
[The</a> Associated Press: Octuplets’ grandmother criticizes daughter](<a href=“http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilIx-PXnXPpwF1a_nlRYF00fzBIQD967SLOG0]The”>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilIx-PXnXPpwF1a_nlRYF00fzBIQD967SLOG0)</p>

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<p>The link also shows a video of the home and picture of the grandmother, who looks like she’s in her late 60s. She looks worn out.</p>

<p>"“The truth is Nadya’s not capable of raising 14 children.”</p>

<p>The mother of the woman who gave birth to octuplets recently is speaking exclusively to RadarOnline.com and says her daughter’s actions are “unconscionable.”…</p>

<p>Nadya lives with Angela, a retired teacher, and Angela says Nadya contributes no money to the support of her own children. Eight people - soon to be 16 - are cramped into a small three-bedroom house and fed in shifts.</p>

<p>RadarOnline.com obtained exclusive photos inside the house, photos that are bound to raise more questions about Nadya’s ability to care for so many children and a RadarOnline.com reporter described the interior as “filthy”, with food on the walls.</p>

<p>“How she’s going to cope, I don’t know,” Angela told RadarOnline.com about her daughter. “I’m really tired of taking care of the six children and need her to think about how she’ll provide for all these children.”…</p>

<p>Nadya was so determined to have children, she first became pregnant at 16…</p>

<p>“The truth is that Nadya hasn’t worked since she started having her children,” Angela, charged, “while Ed and I battled to pay her bills.”
[Fresh</a> Intelligence : Radar Online](<a href=“http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/]Fresh”>EXCLUSIVES)</p>

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<p>More than one doctor seems more plausilble. And I question now where she really had 6 embryos transferred “each time” or just this last time, and she said that to make us think that she really only expected one…</p>

<p>She is mentally ill. This situation is a powder keg ready to BLOW.</p>

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<p>Wow, wow, wow! I just watched the interview of grandma online. It amazes me that grandma heard about the disability payments, but was not told about the money from her D. None of that money went toward the house payments, or to pay for any food for the 6 children.</p>

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<p>I believe that Nadya Suleman will be charged with fraud related to the settlement for her back injury. Check out the picture of a pregnant Nadya holding one of her toddlers.
[Photos</a> : Radar Online: Nadya Suleman: “Octuplet Mom”](<a href=“http://www.radaronline.com/photos/2009/02/nadya_suleman_octuplet_mom.php]Photos”>http://www.radaronline.com/photos/2009/02/nadya_suleman_octuplet_mom.php)</p>

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<p>that picture confirms what I believe…she does look like she had work done on her face and lips. Imagine doing that while your struggling parents fed your brood of 6 ?
It sounds like the grandmother is saying in a subtle way…please some and get these kids.</p>

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<p>The caption in one of the photos in NSM’s post # 457 says the house is filthy and there is food on the walls. I expect that the California Dept of Family and Childrens services (or whatever it is called there) will be paying this family a visit and I wouldnt be surprised if some if not most of the children are placed in foster care. Just the opposite of what this mom wanted…</p>

<p>** and I caught a snipit of the grandma interview. She said her dau buys toys but doesnt really help with the care of the kids and doesnt help financially. Not good…</p>

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<p>But she loves them…and that is all they need ;)</p>