<p>I just watched the second installment of her interview on The Today Show. Nothing really new, other than new denials on her part that this is nuts. I thought Ann Curry really probed, too.</p>
<p>I’m struck by the fact that there is something really bizarre going on between Nadya and her mother. Her mother alleges that Nadya didn’t share the disability payment, doesn’t contribute to expenses, has no way of taking care of the kids, and that mom is really tired of taking care of six kids. Yet Nadya says she pays rent to her mom. What I find really weird is Nadya’s saying that she was lonely as a child and her mother said, “You have lots of friends!” which Nadya didn’t find satisfactory. How can Nadya slam her mother like this, but also expect her mother to take care of the kids? There’s just something reeeeeeeeeally weird between the two of them. I wonder what the real story is.</p>
<p>I don’t think she is being very wise to go on national TV and criticize her mother, who seems like the only help she has with her family.
She also hints that her church will help her out, but I still cannot imagine how anyone else can squeeze into their tiny home and feed, diaper or do anything else. You would almost need a warehouse to physically arrange all the cribs and other items needed for basic care of all those babies.
Frightening</p>
<p>This story defines the line between trash and exploitation. It is not news and no matter what is said or not said, there is some sick woman somewhere in America learning all the details so that they too can produce a litter. Enough.</p>
<p>Very Happy, I agree with you. I wonder why grandma did not tell her D years ago, I am not your children’s mother, I am grandma. I am not here to support your children financially, and care for all of your children on a daily basis. I am happy to babysit on occasion, visit, and I’ll even be happy to pay for an occasional bag of diapers, if that is what you’d like or need. I’ll even cook a dinner now and then. We will even give some 1:1 time to a couple of the grandkids over the summer and winter break. Dad and I would like to just enjoy life now, we have raised you, and we are not going to take raise 6 children, or 14 children. You need to find a regular job (should have said this prior to becoming pregnant with 8 more) to support your family. Having these children was your decision and they are your responsibility. They are not our responsiblility, as much as we love you and love them.</p>
<p>NEM…my B-I-L has lived with his parents now for 4 yrs (we have heard multiple multiple times for the past 4 they are giving a deadline and then he’s out, needless to say it always passed) My M-I-L has had strain put on her marriage of 50 yrs because of it…why hasn’t she kicked him out? Guilt and fear as a mom…I am sure grandmom heard are you going to make your grandchildren homeless? Thus, the daughter gets to stay.</p>
<p>I do agree that I don’t think she is smart enough to realize somebody in Cali working for disability is now starting the search on her. Your back is injured so bad, that you can’t work and receive 165K in support, but you delieverd the 1st naturally, and you managed to carry 8 for 7 1/2 months. I remember after delivering all of mine naturaly trying to bend over to lift them out of the tub hurt my back immenseley and I had no back pains, and except for my 1st, I never gained more than 30 lbs, so it wasn’t the extra baby weight, it was just the pure stress. My SIL had scoliosis and a metal rod in her back, she delivered naturally, but was directly told you will not lift that child in the baby carrier ever nor after they hit 25 lbs. (about 18 mos old).</p>
<p>Finally she tries to make it seem that the father is overwhelmed by the 8 and she hopes he will get involved, but than she goes onto say she talks to him 1-2x a yr and he has stated he has a desire to get to know his kids. REALLY? He has yet to be there for the 1st 6, the oldest being 7…how much time do you think he needs? I don’t blame him, b/c I don’t think he thought that his kindness would have been warped ino this insane situation. I bet he thought okay she might have 1 or 2, but 14 probably never crossed his mind.</p>
<p>Anybody else pick up on the fact that she said after number 6 she thought to herself that she was pushing her needs and desires of a big family on her kids. Yet, she then goes off and does it 1 more time. Big clue into the window of that family…kids were already showing issues…but yet she is a great Mom.</p>
<p>I thought what was interesting in the interview this morning she said her family was going to help…I guess she hasn’t been talking to Mom lately. I am also wondering if Nadya has been so busy that Grandmom is seeing the light and saying you are still leaving me with these 6 and now she is ticked that Nadya is out of the hospital, but not caring for the 6 at home.</p>
<p>Also Ann Curry was asked by Meredith are any churches stepping up, the answer was diverted to well she is expecting friends to help…in other words…NO</p>
<p>BTW, regarding the manicure – I think it’s likely that she had it done before she delivered. Someone could easily have done it while she was on her back in the hospital. I really don’t see a problem with that.</p>
<p>Everything else – well, yes, I do see a problem with all that – but with the manicure, not at all!</p>
<p>If you have ever had acryllics and a french done, it wouldn’t be done in a hospital, the fumes alone are not good. Second, french manicures are lucky to last 10 days without showing wear. I have never done acryllics, my friends do. I can tell you that the white tips just from daily handling starts to wear by day 2 or 3. Everytime she is putting her hands into the bassinets and putting purel on it is going to degrade the mani. </p>
<p>Go into a nail salon…you will notice all of them wearing masks…it’s not to not get a cold, it’s from inhaling the fumes. You can smell the fumes from outside, if I am to believe the “I felt like a failure for not carrying them longer” she would not inhale those fumes. I also believe that the staff would not allow it, because I had 2 babies in distress, the 1st thing they do is put the Mom on oxygen. I bet she was on O2 in the hospital for quite sometime prior to the birth.</p>
<p>That manicure was done for the interview, and it took at least 2 hours to do it…she was wearing flip flops, I would have loved to see if she also got a pedi…JK</p>
<p>The mani for me just is an indisciminate way to see her vanity and lack of maturity showing up. Like I said what newborn mom gives 2 rats a**es about her manicure. My Sister who had a child in NICU for 8 weeks, never had her nails done, she want to make sure nothing could messup his immune system, nails are not the most sanitary part of your body, adding a man made product doesn’t make logical sense. I can tell you tons of women who have had acryllics and land up with nail infections…it is not as rare as you might think. Off the top of my head, everybody I know who does it, at 1 point has had an infection under the nail from it. Why add the risk…why waste your time if all you wantis to hold the kids.</p>
<p>Ask a NICU nurse and I bet they say they are not allowed to have their nails done for sanitary purposes.</p>
<p>Lets see 2hrs getting my nails done or 2 hrs with my kids…hard choice there</p>
<p>northeastmom, maybe grandma DID tell her, but Nadya went ahead and kept having more babies. And maybe grandma just couldn’t bear to let her grandbabies be left alone with her insane daughter. Grandma probably knows she is the only hope those poor kids have, but now she just can’t do it anymore.</p>
<p>I used to have acrylic nails done, but gave it up when one nail turned green under the fake one…I recall not being able to use my fingers for picking up small things , like coins.
They affect the way you can work with your hands and fingers, no doubt. I would think it would be more sensible to rim your nails very short when you have the task of managing several babies
Besides, you have to go to your nail salon every two weeks to maintain those daggars…I don’t have 14 kids, but even with my lifeatyle, I don’t have the time of extra money to splurge on my nails</p>
<p>If Suleman did find a second doctor to help her have the octuplets, then where did she get more of her boyfriend’s sperm? If he is the father of all 14 children, then they must have all come from one IVF cycle, in which she produced many, many eggs. If she was having the IVF services paid by someone who was using some of her eggs, then she must have produced quite a few. If she really had 6 embryos transferred each time she got pregnant (7 times?), then we are up to 42 plus whatever she donated to the other woman. This is really stretching the bounds of possibility. Of course, I don’t believe she had 6 transferred each time.</p>
<p>blankmind, that could very well be. I just hate to see the grandparents being made to lead a life that they not choose by their adult daughter. Grandparents have been living the consequences of their Ds decisions, but I am sure that they also feel blessed to have their grandchildren. I am sure they feel ambivalent and worn out.</p>
<p>“She said her dau buys toys but doesnt really help with the care of the kids and doesnt help financially.”</p>
<p>No surprise to me. Nadya seems to be emotionally frozen in childhood. She wants lots of kids – to play with, not to really mother. She’s just playing house – no real responsibilities. I’ll also bet that as the kids get older, Nadya won’t particularly like them. She wants playmates. Preteens and teens aren’t playmates.</p>
<p>There is a video on msnbc.com that shows the octuplets. It’s hard to look at such fragile, tiny babies and not feel furious at the woman who was willing to subject these children to prematurity. At the same time, I am amazed at the advances in neonatal care. </p>
<p>Her nails are in clear view as she fondly touches each baby, for the cameras that have been brought into the NICU! I’m surprised that this was allowed.</p>
<p>I can’t stop thinking about the fertility specialist who did this. According to the news, she/he is in CA, so it’s not someone across the border. Fertility specialists are sub-specialists - they do an internship and residency in OB/GYN after med school, and then an additional two years of training to become reproductive endocrinologists. It’s not a path that yields many cowboys. </p>
<p>There is also a compelling video interview of the airline pilot who landed that plane safely in the Hudson. I couldn’t help but be struck by the differences in maturity and ability to take responsibility for one’s actions between Sulenberger and this mother. Sulenberger actually, and it sounds completely sincere, expresses regret that he couldn’t have managed the situation better! He seems to feel very bad about something - losing the plane? subjecting the passengers to a terrifying ordeal? Unbelievable. He had only a few minutes to make decisions about how to salvage a situation in which his plane was completely disabled.</p>
<p>OK, I’m admitting up front that I haven’t read this whole thread, but I did catch the interview segment on the Today show this morning. I thought she said she did use the same IVF doctor??? Funny what you notice, though – that manicure jumped out at me, too.</p>
<p>The media a long glamorized the issue of mothers like this in some form or fashion. And, there are many who place quite a lot of stock in what the media has to say and unfortunately, buy into it, hook, line and sinker! It is nice to see that the media is giving attention where it is truly due–Sulenberger.</p>
<p>I thought Ann Curry did a great job and asked pointed questions. One of the best questions, in my view, was how on the one hand, Nadya says her childhood was lacking as she was an only child of a dysfunctional family (her own description), but then how did Nadya think she could give the kind of love that she thought was missing for ONE child to FOURTEEN? It is impossible to give the love and attention to each individual child when you have fourteen of them and have it come close to what can be provided to one child. </p>
<p>Also, Nadya is bashing her mom and at the same time, if not for her mom, she would not have housing and financial support for her and the children…not to mention the CARE of the kids. How she can dare put them down after all they are doing for her is horrible. </p>
<p>Also, I agree with you, NSM, that Nadya wants playthings…lots of babies…like dolls…and it is about HER, not the kids. She keeps saying “this is all I ever wanted” and with no thoughts of what each child would go through in such a situation. </p>
<p>There is no way that Social Services won’t get involved.</p>
<p>I did not see today’s interview, but did catch the first interview. Her facial gestures bothered me to the point that I actually watched the segment for a 2nd time online. When Ms. Curry asks questions about the doctor (ie: if the doctor knew about her 6 other kids) you will see that she puts her tongue up above her top gums, and then she gives a look that signals she was a bit annoyed by the question and says, yes absolutely (or something similar), and then forces a smile, IMO. I really would love a psychologist to interpret what those facial gestures might mean. I just got the strong sense that there is more to the story between her and her fertility doctor than what she revealed in that segment.</p>
<p>This to me is an extreme example of an individual not being grateful for what they have and enjoying it. The need to continue to have more children seems to rather compulsive and self centered at a very extreme level.</p>
<p>“Regarding the manicure – I think it’s likely that she had it done before she delivered. Someone could easily have done it while she was on her back in the hospital. I really don’t see a problem with that.”</p>
<p>Considering how delicate preemies’ skin is, I can’t imagine having long nails after having a preemie. Saying this as a mom who delivered a 28-week preemie (my younger S, who fortunately is healthy, in college, and will be 21 next month!).</p>