<p>I really would love to be in Cali right now to get an idea how they are feeling about it. I would think with 200K state workers being forced to take 2 days of unpaid vacation every month and getting IOUs for tax rebates, with everyday she must be becoming persona non grata.</p>
<p>I told Bullet that I hope if she sells pics or her story to any company, people will boycott it, unless they prove that it is put into some fund that she can’t touch without proof of needs.</p>
<p>I was curious about how much iVF costs so I googled it. The avg price is about 21K. SHe did it 6 times, so that was 132K. Isn’t disability taxable…so that means evry penny she had went to this, and that is before paying for OB. I know she stated that she worked double shifts for 18 months and saved evry dime…she was a tech…even if she made 60K a yr,that equals 90K for 18 mos, minus taxes…she used evry dime to fulfill her desire and nothing to the family. I am actually believing Grandma didn’t know about the disability.</p>
<p>Just found this on wiki
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<p>Yep I am going to want childcare advise on how to raise my children, when you state you think you potryaed your need for a large family onto your kids and that might have been wrong</p>
<p>Today I thought to myself that I’m glad she had eight all at once. Because without all this publicity, nobody would have ever heard about her and she would have continued to have them one by one until she had fourteen. Meanwhile, she would have been just as bad a mother and been receiving support from the State. This way, I’m pretty darn sure these kids are going to be taken away from her.</p>
<p>Northeastmom—post 518–I agree. But I cannot think of any other reason. As a physician, a long time infertility patient with two adopted children, and an Ob/Gyn, it makes no sense to me. I just cannot imagine a situation where a physician would transfer 6 -8 eggs in a patient with 6 children already, all 7 yrs and younger, three with certified disabilities, with no significant other/major support person, who is receiving disability income and has “injuries” incompatible with employment, who lives with her divorced parents in a small 3 bedroom home, taking the risk she could carry 6-8 infants and end up with 12-14 children. It’s insanity. It he did not have all the facts, it is his responsibility to have them. Where is the screening, the social/psychological evaluation? Who abandons all protocol for a patient such as this?</p>
<p>sunnyflorida, it sounds like it is insanity to transplant 6-8 embryos even without the her history, but you’re right on all counts. Well, we will be hearing from the doctor soon because I was just listening to the Fox channel and they said that he is going to sit down with one reporter to talk. Also, my understanding from their report is that he treated 61 patients this year, but only 2 ended in viable pregnancies, and the octuplet mom was one of them.</p>
<p>From the article that snowball linked in Post 536:</p>
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<p>His abysmal record is no excuse, but it may be why this doctor agrees to implant so many embryos at once. By the way, anyone who is looking into fertility treatments either for themselves or a loved one should look at the CDC site. It’s not always going to tell you who’s the “best” since somewhat lower success rates can sometimes be attributed to top of the line clinics that see a lot of high risk or challenging cases, but it can help guide a prospective patient away from places to avoid - like this guy.</p>
<p>From the interview:
About her taking food stamps and SSI for her disabled children:
“They are part of programs designed to help people with need, and she does not see that as welfare.”</p>
<p>So, if you have need it isn’t welfare? Sounds like she could give Bill Clinton lessons on dancing with the English language!</p>
<p>BTW, I was watching O’Reilly’s show, “The Factor”. Apparently they looked to see if she had plastic surgery. They went back 8 years, and they didn’t find any change in her looks.</p>
<p>ABC nightly news estimates the hospital bill so far as being about $700K. Figure $3K a day for each baby–and how long preemies will stay in hospital–the state will need to furlough some more workers.</p>
<p>So, having been obsessed with this woman for about a week now, and having watched all her interviews on The Today Show and on Dateline, I think what most bothers me is the fact that she’s too confident. </p>
<p>She doesn’t seem appropriately panicked or even thoughtful about her future. She hasn’t offered any details about who those “volunteers and friends” are who are going to help her. She hasn’t offered any details about how she’ll go to college and be a mom to 14. She hasn’t offered any details as to how much $$$ she’ll earn once she gets her graduate degree. She hasn’t offered any details about who will care for the kids while she earns that money. </p>
<p>All of which makes me think, What is she thinking about? Has she given any thought to these things?</p>
<p>Did you watch this morning’s snipit on the Today show? Now it seems Kaiser may seek reimbursment for their costs in delivering/caring for the newborns (cost so far approaching a million $) from the state of CA, she is eligible for $1900/mo from the state and could get more if the kids are identified as special needs (I dont recall what the $1900 was for, but its in the clip), she falsified the older kids’ birth certificates, putting a name that is not the true name of the father, punishable by up to 3 yrs in jail, and it is possible that the biological dad <em>could</em> have some financial obligations. Oh, and she denied any association between her looks and # of kids and that of Angelina Jolie. She didnt address the plastic work she’s had on her face, just that she “wasnt thinking about” Angelina Jolie. I really hope Calif protective Services gets involved soon. They did talk about that as well (Atty Gloria Allred was interviewed about these issues)</p>
<p>Jym, I sort of watched – I’m also on AOL and LinkedIn and a few other sites simultaneously (multitasking) – but I missed all of that. Really!!! Wow.</p>
<p>As I’ve said before, I can’t wait to see what’s up with this lady in two years, five years, ten years.</p>
<p>I notice the wierd things, here she was serving dinner and in this beautiful living space with her kids…all I kept thinking was do you think I believe this is your real home? Of course it isn’t the Today show put her up in a beautiful hotel suite. We all know that is true because otherwise there would have been the house tour of look here are my kids bedrooms and this is where the octuplets will be sleeping.</p>
<p>She also stated she is already getting help…where was the follow-up question of from whom and how are they helping? She keeps getting heat for shading or parsing her words. </p>
<p>Now she knows it was a sign from G*d to stop having babies…I go back to what I said before becareful for what you wish for…her reality is the docs have probably made it abundantly clear that many of these kids will have lifelong disabilities, add in the other 3 and she will be a full time Mom for the rest of her life. We are all parents forever, but at a certain point we want our children to fly and make their own way, this will never happen for her. </p>
<p>She admitted she knew her 1 child was diagnosed 3 yrs ago with autism, but she went and delivered 3 more children. Bullets cousin has a highly functioning autistic child it takes a very emotional and physical toll on their family and they only have 2 kids with 2 parents.</p>
<p>I noticed on wiki yesterday she tried tochange her name legally to SOlomon last yr (the last name of the donor Dad), but quit or failed…I wonder if he foght her on it.</p>
<p>I didn’t see any of that on the Today, what did Gloria Alred say?</p>
<p>Quick question for an informal poll…anybody know anyone who is not appalled by her and this situation.</p>
<p>For ME
Sympathy 0
Discontempt…Everyone</p>
<p>Even when th Today shows acknowledges on air that their viewers have no empathy and are upset esp. coming to light of the welfare, but no I am not, it has to tell her something…you know she was watching it this morning</p>
<p>"her reality is the docs have probably made it abundantly clear that many of these kids will have lifelong disabilities, add in the other 3 and she will be a full time Mom for the rest of her life. We are all parents forever, but at a certain point we want our children to fly and make their own way, this will never happen for her. "</p>
<p>She is not like we are. All she ever wanted to do was to be a mom, so having to take care of disabled children forever would be fine with her.</p>
<p>For me, I don’t see her constant proclamation that all she ever wanted was to be a mom to a huge family. I seriously think she just wants a bunch of little dolls to play with. There must be some sort of mental illness for what her obssession is. I agree with the many posters that have said, she may love babies, but its not so clear that she actually loves children. It just seems impossible for me that she will ever be able to actually “know” each one of those children. I know, as the mom of triplets…one with CP that is is incredibly time consuming and exhausting. The needs of the special needs child are more then I would ever have known, until I had my own child. My son is 21 now, and as a result of the job market, even if we could have found a “job” for him…people can’t afford to hire him these days, because he would require more time to train, much more supervision on the job etc…not to mention mom or dad will still provide his transportation…However, at this point those decent people who would like to have him, can’t afford it now. They need to try to hold on to the staff they have, and many people are now wearing more then one hat at the jobs they have. I’m only bringing up this point, because he is an adult now!! I only have 1 disabled child…but, my job is not done for this young man. He is in some ways like an 8 yr old, in some ways like a teen, and in other ways a 21 yr old. But he requires careful supervision, just to make sure he is safe. I actually know some parents who have naturally had more then one disabled child…its nearly impossible for both parents to work, though it can be done when they are in school. But the work required is reall instensive, and it doesn’t ease up! My son isnt eligible to move into a “group home” until the youngest parent is 55, a few years away for us. And even then he just goes on a list, with 800+ ppl already waiting.
The second point I wanted to make, about just what it is like, is then there are the 2 healthy normal kids…If you’re lucky like me, then they are bright kids. This requires its own set of demands. Not to mention just the quiet times to actually learn who the kids are. My three are so different in every way. It was easy when they were infants to just kind of “lump” their needs into one basket…but, as they get older they all want time alone with mommy. Its absolutely possible, don’t get me wrong. But there are times, when (as toddlers) I may have had a moment with one, when the other 2 started squabbling or crying, or pouring water on the dog, lol. Many interruptions. But, I only had 3…I had a husband, who was able to support us, while we got thru the early years. I had a great family, who all came over at different times, to feed and hold the babies and let me take a nap.
Bringing me to my last point. How in the WORLD does she think she will have the time or energy to run off to classes, with 14 kids at home??? I don’t care how organized she is…is it possible she just keeps saying that because she doesn’t want her student loans to end? If she is even taking care of only the octuplets…she will be wiped out exhausted for the next 3 yrs!! I don’t care who you hear with multiples that says its not that bad, haha. It is crazy in the beginning. They don’t care if you’re busy studying…if they need to eat, they need to eat.</p>
<p>Just her simple ignorance of what she’s done, frightens me for all those little babies. The kids she has really are cute. The poor grandma must be devastated by what has happened to this family. I’ve tried to imagine how I would feel if my daughter ever became pregnant with 8 babies…(forget already having 6). I would be terrified on ever level. There isn’t one thing I wouldn’t feel would be easy to do!! From diapers to dollars!!</p>