<p>hazmat: " . . . to say that teen males cannot think well or be trusted in general."</p>
<p>Yeah, so what’s was your point, hazmat? ;)</p>
<p>I guess my point is that most guys I know don’t act this way. They might be all jacked up on hormones but they don’t slash and burn. In general it has been the guys who have had trouble with infidelity…lack of commitment or boorish public behavior. I’ve seen much more crotch grabbing by women in college social settings than vice versa. I just want the bad blood spread around evenly.</p>
<p>hazmat, you’re confusing boorish public behavior with just being a big old friendly dog. Guys are simple beings. In a way they’re kind of innocent, operating on the surface. They fight openly when confronted, like to have fun, and don’t understand the intricacies of female relationship behavior. When things go sour, they come back with their tales between their legs.</p>
<p>Apparently I am not of the simple form. I hear what you are saying and it might just be that my crowd is not the normal cohort. Thanks!</p>
<p>note: if you notice the mostly boorish behavior has been female.</p>
<p>hazmat: You’re right. Plenty of tarts and painted maypoles out there, for sure. 
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<p>doubleplay: Would that be “tails” or “tales” ?? I get more confused by the minute here.</p>
<p>Apparently all daughters are pure in this thread. To conclude that males are the “boorish breed” is rather against facts the way I see it. You subscribe to slash and burn.</p>
<p>Hazmat, don’t you also attend a boarding prep? I think we have a lot less drinking than most high schools for the simple reason that nobody wants to chance getting kicked out. Also because we’re kept so busy. However, going to school with kids from almost all states and many countries makes you open to a wide range of people.</p>
<p>SharonD, I’m a 17 year old high school junior. Who better to know how my peers think? I do try to focus and I am aware you are talking about underage drinking. I’m wondering, what % of kids does everyone think waits until 21 for their first drink? Heck, there was lots of drinking in middle school.</p>
<p>Past tense on the boarding school, nearly past tense on the undergrad. Tis true that I might just be from an odd cohort.</p>
<p>You are. I guess I’m realizing I am too. Most of the guys here are great people but they were carefully chosen. Most of the girls know not to take high school romance seriously. Everyone is so busy and engaged there are few big romances. My advisor tells me a lot of people reconnect and marry after the 10 year reunion!</p>
<p>One thing to point out overall…</p>
<p>Alot of “good girls” do and quite a few “bad girls” don’t. </p>
<p>Same can be said for some boys. Reputations as a tough guy, bad a , or a player can work in some situations. Doesn’t mean they are. If Romeo is asking to come back, chances are pretty good that he isn’t the lothario (sp?) that he’s implied to be by others. He actually might be a nice kid. </p>
<p>Unless they’re out at halftime on the 50 yardline for all to see, most people’s reputations aren’t necessarily so. Their reputations are what others make them out to be real or imaginary.</p>
<p>OK hazmat from the east coast ivy league,
Im talking about simple behavior like having your head turned at a cute available hookup. You’re likening that to boorish behavior and then comparing it to crotch grabbing. I don’t see it down here (I still think FLA is in the south.) If that’s the way girls act in your neck of the woods…</p>
<p>I guess I feel inclined to ask which head? I have no idea why you diss my school or my geographic locale. Having your head turned by a beautiful girl/cute girl is one thing…why use the term “hook up”? That is in your head be it big/small. You epitomize all that is Southern. Generalizing about IVY Girls is usually to comment on the need for “Beer Goggles”. I don’t recall a specific comment about Southern girls and crotch grabbing …take a breath dooder.</p>
<p>I’m proud that my son’s have their head/s turned (whichever heads they may be) by cute girls. I’m always under the assumption of cuteness as it’s never been any other way.
What the heck about generalizing about ivy girls? You brought up crotch grabbings. WTH about epitomizing the south? And dissing your school- I’m responding to your tag.</p>
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<p>I don’t think I put heads turning and crotch grabbing on an equal plane.
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Your choosing was to turn this into an East Coast versus South issue, why else would you have called into play the geographic in a discussion about social behavior? Your demure at the end seems disingenuous.</p>
<p>Boorish was not introduced in my post. Simple, puppy, those were.<br>
If anything, crotch grabbing is boorish.</p>
<p>Hey!!! That second post you just appended was NOT MINE!!!
NF!!!</p>
<p>hazmat we’ll have to continue this later. I like you. You’re fun. I’ve got to go and have some steak. (not stake)</p>
<p>I didn’t choose to make this into a north vs. south issue. My issue is with the crotchgrabbing picture you painted. I’ve never heard of it. It’s something I would be shocked to see or hear of. I don’t think my 18/19 year boy/s have had many crotchgrabbing experiences either. </p>
<p>On the other hand, most 18/19 year old girls have had boys wanting to get down their pants. And most warm-blooded 18/19 year old boys have tried to get down pants. That’s just the way it is, as far as I know, but what do I know? I’m only 45 years old. I may be out of it. I’ll say it again (and we can debate if it’s cuz I’m from the south), but in my experience it’s easier for girls to say no than boys.</p>
<p>Edit: I’m from the East Coast too!</p>
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** OK that is fair. No need to compare what your sons have/have not experienced. I am sure you don’t frequent clubs/bars in the urban campus setting or other party venues. What goes on in the under 30 social circuit versus the over 45 cirucuit…I don’t know. </p>
<p>I don’t see the easier part of saying NO. Why is it that you think girls have the easier time of it? I’d disagree but I’d like to hear from other students I guess. I speak only for my cohort and I don’t see what you are talking about.<br>
Many girls are quite the aggressor in today’s culture.</p>
<p>How was the steak?</p>
<p>steak, yummy.
Sorry to SharonD for sort of hijacking, but I’ll answer your question and then maybe this can return to her topic.
First of all, we’re talking about casual hookups here, not monogamous relationships… Hmmm, why do girls have an easier time saying “no” (in general)?
I’d say it has its roots in the evolution of mankind, where the female must rely on the protection of the male in order to nurture her young, which in turn necessitates the male’s confidence in the offspring being his to begin with. This prevents wanton hookups on the part of the female, not necessarily the male, who, depending on his virility and strength, may be able to provide for more than one female. It has been just recent history that having both a mommy and a daddy hasn’t been the preferred model. That’s my answer and I’m sticking to it.</p>