Oops…wrong thread…
CS and engineering overall appear to be about 20% women at the college level. Biology, however, is majority female, and chemistry is about evenly split.
Yup. Chemistry used to be predominantly male…
When someone shows his face in public as a participant of a Nazi march, that presumably means that he takes pride in his participation, so it is not like any private information is being revealed.
But it is well within the rights of potential customers of a business to choose to buy or not buy based on their own (political or otherwise) preferences. I would not be surprised that the probably-mostly-non-white potential customers of Top Dog would not want to spend money at a business where some of it will pay someone who is opposed to their very existence (and could be viewed as a risk for adulterating the food being prepared when a non-white customer buys it).
sevmom, when someone uses the phrase “Berkeley’s top dog” on CC, I think the natural assumption is that the article refers to the Chancellor or the President. I had never heard of the Top Dog restaurant/quick service until I looked at the link. I see that cobrat was talking about Google, and not about the Top Dog employee when he referred to “private universities” (and I know that he knows that Berkeley is a state school), but all combined, I thought it could save people time to explain what Berkeley’s Tog Dog actually is.
Here’s from business perspective,
Interesting op-ed piece by a male pediatrician in the Washington Post
Basically he says that in medicine which is also a rigorous, logic & science driven, high stress, prestigious profession, women are doing just fine.
If 19% is female engineers, it is not far off from the gender distribution in college majoring in math/science/engineering. What more can they do if colleges are not producing more female grads in the field?
Curious to know how geneder distribution of premeds is. My guess would be about 50-50. That would imply female students are not as interested in tech. If so, the essay actually backs Damore’s claim contrary to what the male pediatrician intended.
Or that medicine recognized the gender problem a few decades earlier and took steps to address it.
And that does not mean that reason why they are “not interested in tech” is purely biology. Faulty logic.
Wow, Heather’s mom’s comments at her memorial just now were inspiring! Two well deserved standing ovations. What grace under such horrible circumstances.
Who’s saying it’s purely biology? Gender imbalance is already there in college where students are free to choose a major. If we want to remedy that, we would have to intervene sooner, much sooner than at the time of employment.
Nice discussion everyone. I am a Male in the finance field and we have many, many woman so I can not intelligently talk about females in the STEM fields but I did enjoy the comments. Thanks.
172. Sorry. Posted that in wrong thread. Yes, this is an interesting discussion
There are a lot of pieces missing between your initial question and your conclusion.
What is the gender distribution of the physician pipeline, starting with undergrad premeds (both at undergrad matriculation and at graduation), extending through medical school, then in the various subspecialties and on to medical faculty, chiefs of staff, and so forth?
Similarly, what is the gender distribution for the pipeline for various STEM majors and careers, including not only CS and medicine but various disciplines of engineering, biology, chemistry, physics, and so forth?
How have the gender distributions of these pipelines changed over the last few decades? In many fields the percentage of women at all stages of the pipeline has increased, even if not yet reaching parity. CS is a dramatic exception, with the percentage of women dropping relative to a few decades back. What are the reasons for this difference?
And then extend this beyond STEM. In finance, in business, in law. Can’t remember which major newspaper (NYT? WSJ?) recently had a piece talking with women who either were or were gunning for the c suite, but that’s well worth a read if you can find the piece.
Some of that information is easy to find.
https://www.aamc.org/download/321442/data/factstablea1.pdf
Regarding the pipeline, the following website tracks degrees earned and field employed.
https://www.census.gov/dataviz/visualizations/stem/stem-html/
Another field that has traditionally been dominated by guys is chess. When my kids were in elementary school all the kids took chess lessons starting in 2nd grade and there was a PTA chess class after school and at least one school sponsored turnout each year. All the chess lessons were given by guys. Our chess team was mostly boys. A nearby school had a similar program with one big difference, their chess club was led by a woman and their team was over half girls. They did very well in tournaments by the way.
All that said, there are still far fewer women that play chess, and the studies that have tried to figure out if it’s biological have a very hard time trying to figure out how to actually control for societal influence. I certainly think it’s possible there is a biological element to some of what men seem to be better at.
That said, IME the skills to be a good architect are only partially about being able to envision things in three dimensions. A huge, huge part of the job is understanding what the client wants, listening and being able to sell yourself. I’d say, I’m middling (for an architect) at seeing things in 3-D (but infinitely better than DH who studied biophysics), good at dealing with clients, and so-so at the selling myself part.
http://www.businessinsider.com/james-damore-interview-video-2017-8
He has now compared himself to being gay in the 1950s.
It’s odd. I wasn’t aware that he was under threat of imprisonment, institutionalization, sterilization, or death just because of who he loved.
The fact that he is able to give an interview like this to a major publication and openly use his real identity is proof that what he is going through is NOTHING like being gay in the 1950s.
I stick by my theory that he has no grasp of history and few critical thinking skills.