Osama Bin Laden is dead?

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<p>Do you figure that the war dog was used to sniff bin Laden out–if he should try hiding in a spider hole in the building?</p>

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<p>I heard the CNN talking heads saying last night that the dog was there to sniff out potential explosives-filled booby-traps.</p>

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<p>I don’t even put out snail bait with my little kids around. I can’t imagine bin Laden would have explosives-filled booby-traps around with all the little kids roaming the place. LOL! But just in case, they brought an app for that…</p>

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<p>It’s also possible the dog was there to sniff out OBL, in the event that the house had a secret room or whatever. OBL might have heard the approach and run for cover in some basement hideout, and the SEALs wouldn’t have had unlimited time to look for him.</p>

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<p>b/c we know how much OBL values human life…</p>

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Goal: Make world Muslim<em>.
Resource: Muslim</em> children of followers.
Failure: Death of too many children.</p>

<p>*Muslim… except for all that “peace” nonsense.</p>

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<p>He’s got over 20 kids. Some are being held in Pakistan. I thought some were held at some point in Iran. Are there any in the US? What will happen to the ones in custody?</p>

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<p>I’m surprised no one has mentioned the fact that Al Qaeda has confirmed that Bin Ladin is indeed dead, and that they are now vowing revenge (as if we couldn’t have seen that threat coming…:rolleyes:). Looks like the decision not to release the photos of Bin Ladin’s body was a prudent one. So who is it that now needs photos as “proof” of Osama Bin Ladin’s death, if Al Qaeda not only doesn’t deny it, but is expressing outrage over it?</p>

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I mean, honestly, who hasn’t made an anti-Britain video or two in their day? </p>

<p>Though on a more serious note, I agree, his son(s) could prove trouble in the future.</p>

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Is there anything they don’t express outrage over? And I feel so threatened; before this, I was secure in the knowledge that Al Qaeda wasn’t plotting to kill more people.</p>

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<p>Poetsheart, I understand why we don’t won’t to release pictures, but part of me feels like who cares what they think - just so we don’t offend their sensibilities. It is crazy that some Muslims will riot and kill people because of cartoons or because some idiot preacher desecrates the Koran. We shouldn’t allow their irrational behavior to dictate how we do things in an open and free society. If they can’t handle rational discourse, that’s their problem.</p>

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<p>I saw the photos of dead men in pools of blood that streamed from their faces taken by the Pakistanis after the SEALs left. They were extraordinarily graphic, though sadly not the worst war scenes I’ve seen. I imagine the ones being retained by the government are also graphic.</p>

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<p>For those who were concerned about the death of Bin Laden’s 19 year old son, it now appears likely that the reports misidentified which son was killed – it seems that it was the 21 year old son, Khalid. Here’s a picture for anyone who wonders whether SEALS would have any reason to consider the kid to present a risk- just imagine encountering this guy running toward you in a dark room: <a href=“http://i311.■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■/albums/kk453/TalkLeft/khalid240a.jpg[/url]”>http://i311.■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■/albums/kk453/TalkLeft/khalid240a.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>As to the pictures, I think it’s a big deal to Obama that both Gates & Hillary Clinton requested that the pictures not be released. Obama’s a smart guy – he knows that withholding them now does not preclude them being released at some time in the future, but that once they are released, there is no such thing as un-releasing them. I think I’d make the same choice in his shoes-- it actually is the easier (less risky) choice. Down the line things can be reassessed – though it might make sense to wait a few months and see if things are resolved or settle down somewhat it other mideast hot spots (Libya, Syria, etc.) as well… </p>

<p>I agree with poetsheart – given that Al Qaeda agrees that he is dead and is now threatening revenge, I don’t think there’s any need to prove anything at this point.</p>

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For those who still don’t believe Obama was born in the U.S., everyhing needs to be proven to them and the still won’t believe. They are demanding the photos be released, but when it’s done they’ll claim they were photoshopped. Waste of time.</p>

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The only thing I disagree with you is that it’s “irrational” behavior. In reality it is a carefully crafted strategy to influence our behavior. It’s been extremely successful in increasing the way we criticize ourselves for every little thing and find excuses to explain away every outrageous action by others.</p>

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<p>I am mad that the TV networks and other media keep showing OBL preaching videos and pictures. I think they should show only his pictures with the cross (X) on them.</p>

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<p>CNN is talking about some videos seized at the compound showing OBL watching… himself on CNN and other major networks, keeping current with the news.</p>

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<p>[Pakistan’s</a> leaders urged to step down - The Associated Press - POLITICO.com](<a href=“http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54499.html]Pakistan’s”>Pakistan's leaders urged to step down - POLITICO)
“This is a great violation of our sovereignty, but it is for the president and prime minister to resign and no one else,” </p>

<p>The main outrage in Pakistan is not about the fact that OBL was living there - that barely made a blip on the radar, but that the US operation was successful. Their protests indicate they are far less concerned about the so-called lack of knowledge of his presence there, than their lack of knowledge of the US operations.</p>

<p>This shows a fundamental difference between the post-raid strategies of the two governments and societies - the US is highly on the defensive and focussed on making sure nobody is upset while they have gone into top gear in condemning the US operations. Wasn’t conventional wisdom that the majority there were moderate and many of them didn’t even view OBL as a true muslim, and they were suffering more from terrorism than the US and wanted him finished off more than us? </p>

<p>I see a compromise - no cuts, and perhaps a boost in money and military aid and promise never to keep them out of the loop in return for maintaining a reduced US presence.</p>

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That promise shouldn’t be made. I think most people would agree that there’s likely some people in the Pakistani government/military/police who were complicit in enabling Osama to stay there for all these years. I think Bush put it best when he said something like “you’re either with us or against us” in this war on terror. Does anyone think the USA could have gotten Osama if they were too open with the Pakistani government on this operation? This isn’t to say that the very top Pakistani leadership wasn’t actually made aware of this beforehand - they might not have been or maybe they were made aware - that’s something that probably won’t be known for years when this area gets declassified. </p>

<p>The Pakistani leadership is walking a tightrope right now. What they say in public may not reflect the actuality of what happened - i.e. there may be ‘a few details left out’ so to speak.</p>

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<p>He may have been living there for as long as 7 years. It’s beyond belief that no one in the Pakistani government knew that he was there. And it now seems that he did not have kidney problems, after all. So much for him having dialysis in a cave!</p>

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<p>Cartera - You nailed the SNL speculation.</p>

<p>Come on… tell us who you know there!</p>