Parents of the HS class of 2010 - Original

<p>I thought this was interesting - the UC actually fact checks a random set of applications each year - e.g. prove you were the lead in the school play.</p>

<p>[UC</a> wants the truth on student applications - Los Angeles Times](<a href=“http://www.latimes.com/news/education/la-me-ucfraud18-2009feb18,0,2545627.story]UC”>Applying to UC? Don't fib)</p>

<p>Thought this would be a useful tidbit for all of us as our kids begin doing their applications this summer… or fall … depending on the level of procrastination.</p>

<p>on college applications as in life. Great reminder Scaulum. Hard enough for kids to get in nowadays to their top choices, but facts are facts and truth rules on apps!</p>

<p>Truth-checking is a great idea. I’m going to mention it to D. She’s feeling a little disheartened right now because some of her classmates are doing a brisk business in the selling and buying of papers. I would like her to see that honesty is also a practical matter.</p>

<p>Tell her the truth will out eventually, as it is for some in the adult world. Here’s a sample:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/business/economy/18leonhardt.html?emc=eta1[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/business/economy/18leonhardt.html?emc=eta1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Paying Workers More to Fix Their Own Mess</p>

<p>Nothing highlights the fiction of performance-based pay quite so well as retention bonuses. It turns out that, at least for chief executives, retention bonuses are almost entirely unnecessary.</p>

<p>Now back to our regular programming on the Class of '10.</p>

<p>Wows, LOTS of threads regarding UCLA today! Can you tell they released decisions today? Wonder if all 55,000+ who applied are reporting in to CC. Berkeley is next week and then we’re done with the UCs, except for the transfers, I think.</p>

<p>Having frequented UCLA for various musical performances and a few classes from their extension program, in addition to the official tour this year, I can see why so many would be attracted to applying there.</p>

<p>Just got back from my Junior College Night. It was presented by Peter Van Budick (sp?) of [The</a> Admission Game - College Planning - College Admissions Resource](<a href=“http://www.theadmissiongame.com%5DThe”>http://www.theadmissiongame.com), who is a very engaging speaker and the former Dean of Admissions at F&M. I didn’t think I would learn much, given the amount of time I spend here on CC, but I did! If you ever have a chance to hear him speak, I would recommend it–we did a case study “game” that was just fascinating. Here are some of my notes:</p>

<p>AGENDA (what colleges are ideally looking for in its students)
bright
motivated
high achiever
diversity
givers (gifted)</p>

<p>HIDDEN AGENDA
$$ - need-blind = fiction, especially vulnerable “on the bubble”
demonstrating interest - visits, contact points, yield protection, thoughtful emails to adcoms (establish relationship with regional counselor)
SAT - take max 3 times, [The</a> National Center for Fair & Open Testing | FairTest](<a href=“http://www.fairtest.org%5DThe”>http://www.fairtest.org) for test-optional schools, also consider ACT</p>

<h2>Application Tips</h2>

<p>-be an “expert” on your essay topic
-hooks: geographic, ethnic, gender, talent, academic (e.g. Classics, girl in math/science)
-course rigor and grades are both important - B in AP better than A in regular, except at the most selective schools which want A in AP
-breadth and depth in course selection - 5 core classes, 4 years of language/math especially (he was very hard on the case studies with no math senior year, and mentioned that MS foreign language doesn’t count as a “year”–must be 9-12)
-undecided major is OK, even assumed at LACs
-prove your talent (e.g. portfolio, CD)
-EXPLAIN any weaknesses or discrepancies in your file!</p>

<p>And of the 4 case studies, I was hard-put to choose one to admit (hypothetical school had a 25% admit rate).</p>

<p>That does sound like an interesting evening… </p>

<p>One point he made - that MS foreign language doesn’t count as a year - is not consistent with what my DD found by calling 4 top LACs on the west coast - all of whom said they would count it. Perhaps it is a regional difference.</p>

<p>Keilexandra, your college looks like it was very informative. It’s good that your school (I’m assuming that this was through your high school…?)provides this kind of a resource to its students.</p>

<p>FindAPlace, since you’re familiar with the UC’s, I was curious about what impressions, if any, you have about University of Southern California, as far as academics, campus life, students, etc. D recently received a mailing from them and she’s somewhat interested. I don’t know too much about USC other than 1) it’s private, although it offers merit aid, 2) it apparently used to be known as a party school, although its academic reputation has supposedly been on the rise in recent years and that it’s located in South Central L.A., although according to the CC visit reports, the campus itself is safe…? If you, or anyone else, has any thoughts about USC, I’d be interested. Thanks.</p>

<p>Yep, the session was through my high school–the college counselor really tried to get every junior family there, and we had almost 300 people (counting parents, of course, out of 230 students).</p>

<p>scualum, I remember your thread about foreign language. I have heard elsewhere that MS foreign language counts as half a year (i.e. 2 years in MS = 1 year in HS), and obviously if you run out of language courses you shouldn’t be penalized; but that is what he said (he pointed out the lack of foreign language on a case study and emphasized 9-12, excluding MS).</p>

<p>momonthehill:</p>

<p>Not sure that FAP is the best source for unbiased information on USC… :)</p>

<p>Keil:</p>

<p>Actually what she asked was the 2 for 1 deal as you described above so that is consistent.</p>

<p>scualum may be right on that, since DH is on faculty at USC so there’s a nice paycheck that comes from there. :)</p>

<p>I’ll give it a shot in my PM to you. Just to show I’m not totally biased, USC will not be the only place my S will be applying next year.</p>

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<p>Oh, whoops! I’m sorry that I didn’t know that.:o That’s what I get for not popping into CC and this thread as often as I should. That having been said, I would like to hear your (and anyone else’s) impressions of USC.:)</p>

<p>We just went through the language discussion with S and his school counselor. We decided that he would take a fourth year of Theater, which he loves, and so he’ll only have three years of Spanish. C’est la vie. (see, I slipped in an little French!)</p>

<p>Now that I have taken my shot at FAP :slight_smile: , I’ll chime in on USC…</p>

<p>First a disclaimer - I went to USC for my freshman year and chose not to go back for a second year. I was on an Navy ROTC scholarship and decided the Navy was not for me. </p>

<p>Having said that, I have a very high regard for USC. The academics are very strong, the school spirit is outstanding, the alumni network far-flung and very supportive. Merit aid packages are rumored to be substantial for strong applicants (I don’t have first hand knowledge as DS did not apply here.) One student from our area enrolled in the honors program recently and it appears to be just phenomenal.</p>

<p>I do think that before deciding to go there it is a campus that MUST be visited. If you can’t visit, don’t go there. The fit can only be judged in person. The campus itself is as safe as any urban campus - I would have no concerns about safety on campus - but the areas around it are about as bad as it gets in California. You don’t have to go into those areas as a student - but it is all around you.</p>

<p>Would I send either of my kids there? It has never been an issue as one wanted to play baseball as part of his college experience (and wasn’t good enough for a very strong USC program) and the other wants small LAC in a rural/suburban environment - essentially everything USC isn’t. If they wanted to go there, we would take a multi day visit to the campus and really explore everything to ensure there was a fit.</p>

<p>Okay, I’ll reprint USC thoughts to momonthehill here and hope they aren’t too long.</p>

<p>My H has been on the faculty of the math department since 1986. He has interactions with the science and engineering departments as well, so if your D is thinking along these lines and has some specific questions, let me know.</p>

<p>Let’s see, you asked me to cover academics, student life, the neighborhood.</p>

<p>USC has indeed grown in academic stature during the time my H has been there. It used to be called the University of Spoiled Children. Now some in academia call it the University of Stolen Colleagues since a huge amount of money was set aside five years ago for the Senior Faculty Hiring Initiative.</p>

<p>USC is still more known for it’s prowess in the speciality colleges … film, communications, engineering, business … than it is for the College of Arts & Science. Nonetheless, A & S gets its share of full tuition ride Presidential Scholars (typically NMF.) It has perhaps better merit aid than some comparable privates. Like others, it’s endowment was hit but they have chosen, thus far, to make cuts by freezing non-faculty hires and not in the ground construction projects. Fortunately, this doesn’t affect the news student union building, which is supposed to open Fall of '10.</p>

<p>Let’s see, now on to students. USC carries the image of the blonde, thin, rick kid and yes, it has some of these. However, it also ranks in the top three consistently for percentage of international students, which provides a nice match to the cosmopolitan city of Los Angeles that it’s located in. It’s not as conservative politically as it used to be, although there are plenty of Orange County kids who like to enroll here. School spirit is fairly high, especially on football days but one doesn’t have to partake it in. There is a Greek presence, but it’s not overwhleming. There is plenty of socialization from other avenues like participatory sports of all kinds (taking advantage of the fine weather, which is probably second to none … imagine shorts, a t-shirt and flip flops in March.)</p>

<p>The housing is a mix of old and fairly new. Plans are in the works for more housing so they can guarantee for a fourth year. For awhile, USC rented out several floors of the Radisson Hotel just across the eastern border of campus, so students there (for a price, of course) could have valet service for laundry, etc.</p>

<p>The neighborhood is the worst sore thumb and image buster for USC. My sister in law attended both Columbia and Yale and said the area around USC, to her, didn’t see worse that the areas around those campuses. It is urban. To call it ghetto is stretching things out of proportion. I don’t think student should be walking outside of any campus alone at 2 am. Crime incidents are more frequent off campus than on. USC takes safety issues very seriously and has beefed up enforcement. More importantly, the USC community works hard with the neighboring area to uplift the community. They invite sweat equity from the students and monetary contributions from faculty and staff, and do well at it. Pete Carroll, the renowed football coach, makes regular visits to the community and its not to recruit players.</p>

<p>I guess that gives you enough to start with, yes?</p>

<p>Our school system counts two years of middle school language as one year. It’s on the transcript and some kids who change languages do end up starting at level 1. You’d have to take the fourth year at the AP level if they insisted on taking four years in high school. My son is NOT taking AP Latin. (Particularly since I’m not at all convinced he could get a B.) I’m not going to worry about it - he has four years on the transcript.</p>

<p>Keil, I attended the same presentation by the same guy last year at my D’s old school. Yeah, he is entertaining, informative and your summary is how I remember it. Thanks for posting it for others here.</p>

<p>About foreign languages my reading (and listening) has been pretty consistent: At the highly selective colleges it is desirable to take the same language in all four years of high school. Of course, these are not absolute requirements. One exception might be if your middle school head-start allows you to do an AP in that language in junior year.</p>

<p>Our tour of east coast colleges is past the half-way point; I am now just looking forward to the end. I was getting very restless during today’s Penn info session, and did not join D for the tour. D, on the other hand, has been working really hard and still seems to have plenty of appetite for this stuff. She sat in on three classes today in addition to the info session and tour, and a separate info session for Wharton. So she put in about 6 hours in all today. Pretty intense, but extremely informative- not just about Penn but about college in general.</p>

<p>Some of the advice from the Franklin and Marshall former admission officer would NOT be fitting for more selective and more financially secure colleges.</p>

<p>^^ I agree. I was going to write something to this effect but couldn’t find a nice way to say it. You said it well, tokenadult.</p>