Parents of the HS Class of 2012 - Original

<p>Love reading the posts here! We’re stuck in Pittsburgh after touring Carnegie Mellon–van needs a new axle. We need to head to Cleveland (2 hours away) to tour Case Western tomorrow; the van should be repaired within a few hours and we can be on our way. In the meantime, we’re stranded at a Pittsburgh Starbucks during a TORRENTIAL downpour!</p>

<p>So our CMU impression…hmmm. We’d already been to a local (D.C. area) info session last fall, but now DS2012 has all his scores in hand & we got to see the campus. I don’t love it as much as I expected. First, do you all know that 2011-2012 cost is now over $57,000?!! That’s actually nearly obscene to me. They only offer merit aid to 7% of students (we don’t qualify for need-based aid), and it just seems that there’s no way CMU is <em>that</em> much better than much lower-priced schools. <em>sigh</em></p>

<p>For instance, DS is 99% in at UMCP (I’m leaving the 1% not to tempt Fate, lol), and it has its own wonderful blend of science and art. So I have a kneejerk negative reaction to what CMU has to sell, if that makes sense.</p>

<p>DS is realistic about the tuition, and he knows that he does NOT want to take out a ton of loans. (We will pay some but not all of our kids’ college tuition.) That being said, he still found the college appealing. He’s okay with the small campus and ugly buildings…okay, that’s all me again. :D</p>

<p>He’s sitting right here with me–let me ask him what he likes best about CMU. “The variety of offerings; it seems pretty nurturing. There’s a really warm environment; it just gave me a good feel.” Okay then. ;)</p>

<p>The power just went off in Starbucks. This will be a memorable day after all our travails!</p>

<p>Oh yeah, DD2012 took the practice ACT from the Real ACT book and she did pretty well! While she didn’t meet the middle 50% SAT average for UMCP (missed it by 50 points), she hits the middle 50% for ACT. Of course, that’s not the actual ACT, just a practice, but it’s pretty good considering it was her first time taking it.</p>

<p>On her practice test she got a 34 Reading, 30 (?) English, 29 Science, 27 (?) Math (I have the material in the van and am trying to remember the scores). I know her Composite worked out to 28.5, which is okay, right? The ACT is completely foreign to me!</p>

<p>Back in our motel room after our visit to Kenyon on math and science Open House day. I have to say that the admission staff was warm and lovely and the many professors who showed up were all smart, inviting, open and engaging.</p>

<p>That said, it was NOT a good match for my son, and thus an excellent learning experience. (He is in the other room of the suite sleeping off a foul mood.) First of all, it was in contrast to this magical day we had in Cleveland yesterday, when absolutely nothing special happened, but it all felt so right to us. We drove around an empty city doing nothing… but we loved every second of it. The trash cans fascinated us (part of an urban art project enhancing the Euclid street corridor), S fell in love with the mix of earlu to mid 20th century business downtown architechture and edgy contemporary buildings sprinkled everywhere, the gritty edges seemed very humanizing to us. He just loved the quirky and energetic case western physical campus, and the names of the buildings fascinated him (macromolecular engineering - really big molecules? how big?) We ate at a locavore bistro in little italy, because apparently all the italian restaurants are closed for lunch on sundays.</p>

<p>So, Kenyon. Middle of nowhere, which we knew about. But my been in DC since he was 6 S hadn’t FELT what middle of nowhere was before this, and he didn’t like it me thinks. The focus of the math/sci was completely on research and scholarship-- publication and grant opportunities, and he is not sophisticated enough to think that of much appeal – he likes to solve problems and prove things because it is cool, not for recognition or competition.</p>

<p>The other thing that was striking, and probably very attractive for some applicants, was that although it was math and science day, the students all looked like athletes, or preppy (J. Crew ads, or gorgeous, or very suburban, or tanned and elegant, or or store brand or HS sports t shirts, am I describing this right?) I didn’t see kids who looked like gamers or geeks or punky or urban at all. No piercings or unusual hair, all clean cut guus. My son had his usual black t shirt with some gaming icon. His idea of a sport is Starcraft. We also found it disturbing that our phones could not get 3g, and my blackberry was conmpletely useless!</p>

<p>On the strength of that experience, we have reorganized our schedule and ditched our visit to alleghany tomorrow, to spend a full day in cleveland tomorrow, to have time for a real visit and tour of case western reserve. When I suggested this to S I could see the grouch cloud lifting off his face and shoulders.</p>

<p>Now back to finessing the college list… oh for that perfect small, nurturing URBAN college with gamers, geeks and also liberal arts students, and a super duper office of disability/learning support!</p>

<p>We visited Columbia late spring - very impressed with the beautiful buildings and layout of the campus. Our tour guide mentioned that Ghostbusters was filmed there, and apparently the crew chewed up quite a bit of landscaping. Afterward, because the movie was so successful, the producers donated loads of shrubs and landscaping improvements. On another note, we attended a local five college info session - the Columbia rep had a remarkable “James Earl Jones” voice. I could have listened to him all night! We visited Harvard last week - I was somewhat underwhelmed, perhaps because it is so esteemed, but S loved it. We’re working on keeping expectations realistic.</p>

<p>omg I am an idiot! His royal highness woke up enough to eat the take out I brought back, and was shocked, shocked, shocked to hear that I had reorganized our schedule! He had no recollection of our discussion, and couldn’t believe I would make an important decision based on talking to him after waking him from a dead sleep in a darkened room. And where did I get the idea that he didn’t like Kenyon? Um, from the fact that he asked to leave halfway through the open house, acted like he was in agony, and nearly bit my head off 6 times? MOM, how many times do I have to tell you, when I say I am tired, I mean I am TIRED!</p>

<p>“So, you LIKED Kenyon?” “uh, huh.” “The professors were really nice, weren’t they?” “Uh, huh.” “You wouldn’t rule it out because it was in such an out of the way place?” “Nope.” “So you want to go to Alleghany tomorrow?” “Yep.”</p>

<p>OK. So I got it wrong. Then the power in the hotel went out, I lost my wifi and a/c and whatever, it became impossible to redo all the hotel arrangements for tomorrow night AGAIN… I will just drive 3 hours to Alleghany for the visit, then we’ll drive the 2 hours to Cleveland for the new hotel reservation, visit CWR if he wants Weds, and fly the heck home!</p>

<p>Silverseas, you get some kind of prize. I smiled as I read through your post even though I really feel deep empathy. Don’t lose your sense of humor. You need it for another few days.</p>

<p>^^well, there’s a cautionary tale if I ever heard one! I’m going to remember that - I can imagine the same kind of scenario with my quick-to-make-snap-judgements-and-then-reverse-them-and-blame-me-for-misunderstanding DD! thanks for sharing, silversas and good luck tomorrow!</p>

<p>I haven’t posted for a while, so by way of a quick re-introduction: DD is a strong, but not tippy-top student, who has her heart set on a single school, one that is certainly a match, but not a safety by any stretch. I’ve been around CC long enough (D1 was HS class of '09) to know this is a recipe for disaster, but I haven’t been able to get her to budge. trust me, I’ve tried pretty much every CC-recommended method to get her to engage.</p>

<p>so when she comes home tomorrow from a month away, I’m going to try a new approach. I’ve got a pretty short list of schools for her that meet her criteria - a relatively liberal LAC/small university in a warm climate. she needs to pick a handful that she is willing to research and visit. at the same time she needs to launch Operation Get-Into-Favorite-School: demonstrate interest in every way possible (without being a pest), review their website and material so she has a really good handle on what they are looking for, and start to think about her essay.</p>

<p>thoughts?</p>

<p>Since there is some discussion about JHU, I’ll fess up that we attended a “Preview” session there weekend before last (just us and about 400 other people). They started with a video, and even though most such videos are pretty awful, I found this one appealing. Thinking back on it, what I liked was the music, and periodically they showed the musicians: students studying at Peabody. They were fabulous.<br>
They started the 2 HOUR INFORMATION SESSION (my kids were ready to die) with two professors talking about what they like about Hopkins. Both profs (one engineering and one Spanish) were very likable and appealing. The engineering prof talked a lot about research, in fact I would say research was a great theme of the morning. The Spanish prof also talked about research. He emphasized how he doesn’t have any TAs, doesn’t want any TAs and reads every word of his students’ writing himself.<br>
Next the two admissions staff people gave a bunch of information about the school. 1200 students in the freshman class, 400 of whom are in the school of engineering. No core curriculum, but there are distribution requirements. There is also a writing course requirement. For engineering students 2/3 of your courses are in engineering and 1/3 are outside of the major. You don’t have to apply to a particular school (engineering or not), you choose your major later. Exception is biomedical engineering, which you do have to apply to up front.<br>
Next up was a student panel. As people have noted, there are fraternities and sororities, but it didn’t sound pervasive. One of the three students on the panel was in a sorority. Freshman and sophomores are required to live on campus, most juniors and seniors move off campus, but stay close by. One of the students said “it is a work hard, play hard school.” The Hop Cops (that was my favorite expression of the day) patrol campus and within a mile of campus. There is a shuttle service that will take students anywhere within a mile of campus. (This was in response to a question about campus safety.) Students list their top 3 choices for a dorm and are assigned to one of them. Everyone seems to like the dorm they got the best. There seems to be a lot of medical emphasis. Of the three panelists, one was pre-med and one was in biomedical engineering. There were several references to doing research at the hospital as an undergrad.<br>
The admissions people then talked about the application process. They are interested in both the academic side and the social/EC side. 9th grade grades are not too important. They superscore the SAT. They recommend 3 SAT subject tests, but it is okay if you only have 2. Recommend taking Math 2 if you are applying for engineering.<br>
They said there is a big bonus for ED. They accept 30-40% of ED applicants, and 18% overall. They want to have kids who want to be there.
Students come from 90 different countries. 50% of students are “nonwhite” (their description, not mine). Tuition is $42,000, without room or board. Virtually no merit scholarships (last year they gave 5).<br>
Next (after the 2 hours of info session) we took a campus tour. Even though they had a gaggle of tour guides, the groups were still large, and even though they headed the groups off in multiple directions, we kept getting stuck behind another group.<br>
The campus was very neat and attractive. The buildings are mostly brick. We went into a few buildings, but not a dorm. The only students around were campers from CTY camp.
The number of people attending this session was overwhelming, and they are running one of these Preview sessions every Saturday for 5 or 6 weeks. I found it a little depressing.<br>
Overall JHU made a positive impression, it stays on the list.</p>

<p>Hello all! Greetings from a busy college tour. We flew from Texas to Boston Saturday night and have a few colleges to report on. Been a while since I’ve posted, so here is a recap of my DD: bright, great SAT scores, ok GPA, very competitive high school, doesn’t quite realize how bright she is (explains away her great test scores with “I’m just a good test taker”!) So, we’re looking at smaller schools where she’s in the top % of candidates, both for better merit aid and her confidence. And she’s interested in majoring in Business and wants very active internship opportunities. Here’s the scoop:</p>

<p>Endicott College, Beverly, MA: Beautiful campus, right on the water. Around 2000 undergrads; no info session - DD met with someone in admissions for interview, then I was called in for a private info session. We then did a campus tour - very informative and DD really liked the vibe. Housing for all 4 years, and the housing is unique - some of the housing is on the beach; some is in old mansions that have been converted. We were both impressed.</p>

<p>Merrimack - North Andover, MA: way too small. We didn’t do an official campus visit, but wanted to see the campus because it offers a coop program in business. She felt like it was smaller than her high school. Off her list.</p>

<p>Babson - Wellesley, MA: Thought this would be a good fit with her business interests, but no dice. Beautiful campus - DD really liked that, but we left after the info session - didn’t stay for the official tour or interview - way too intense for my DD. Anyone interested in a competitive, highly ranked business program should check this out, though.</p>

<p>All for now - in RI now, and will post tomorrow after our 2 tours.</p>

<p>silversas, omg! That sounds so utterly familiar I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. I had a suggestion re: essays to make to D this morning-- mentioned it, she turned to stone. Took a shower and collected herself, came out to lay down some ground rules for me, very somber, very mature. But, insane! All she had to say was “No, I don’t think so.” ! You do deserve a medal of honor, and a martini. I’m looking forward to hear about Allegheny-- it’s the top choice of one of D’s friends. </p>

<p>PRJ-- can your D apply ED to her first choice? With other applications in reserve? I try to bite my tongue and wait for the right moment to slip any advice in (as evidenced above, it doesn’t always work!).</p>

<p>Newtothismom-- did you look at Bentley? It’s a top choice of business majors around here. With the great test scores she might want to add some reachier/matchier schools. (They also like Bryant-- maybe you’re going there tomorrow.)</p>

<p>I don’t have time to write much but thanks to all for the visit reports! silversas - yours cracked me up, so thanks for that! I’m glad your S liked Case Western (and Kenyon too!)</p>

<p>Time to go watch a couple of episodes of Big Bang Theory with my nerdy kids!</p>

<p>GwenFairfax, I’m dying to know what the ground rules you received are.</p>

<p>GwenF - we are seeing Bryant tomorrow - will let you know how it goes!</p>

<p>I hate when schools say ED gives a boost (ie JHU) but it’s not something that <em>everyone</em> can do. Just because someone doesn’t apply ED doesn’t mean it isn’t their first choice! Money (or the lack of having to pay) really does talk.</p>

<p>I am to give thoughts re: college apps by email only. So, if I want to say “Don’t forget to put … on your resume” I must say it by email, where it will receive due consideration but will not clutter up her mind with wildly rebellious urges to write wicked limericks instead of supplemental essays, and thus ruin her chances of becoming an educated person.</p>

<p>I’m new at this
my D is looking at the following schools for musical theater. She has had leads in Oz, Anything Goes, Urinetown and Phantom.
How do these schools stack up to each other?</p>

<p>Don Mac:</p>

<p>I’m sure someone on this thread will know what they are talking about, not me, but you definitely want to spend some time over on the [Musical</a> Theater Major](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/][b]Musical”>Musical Theater Major - College Confidential Forums) thread.</p>

<p>DonMac-- try the musical theater forum… Muhlenberg would be a great choice, I think, followed by Temple. (imho) Wagner and Temple both require auditions for MT… the others do not.</p>

<p>silversas: very funny. I agree about how the kids look at Kenyon- elegant and like 1/2 have yachts and get $100 haircuts. Sorry, have yachts on the brain as D bought a pair of terribly cute Sperry’s today and she is now to quote her “legit east coast prep.” </p>

<p>Jenpam: to heck with carnegie! lol. I hear Case gives good aid!</p>

<p>D has been sequestered in her room to finish Madame Bovary which she admits is interesting at this point and reminds her of the Awakening. We are getting ready for an overnight shopping spree where we will spend too much money but hopefully not too obscene an amount. College fund! Between my 2 girls they have 44 pairs of jeans. I know obscene. These have been amassed over at least 5 years for my eldest though and my youngest receives all of a friends old Abercrombie jeans. (I am trying to make myself feel better) We rounded up about 12 pair to sell to Plato’s closet and tons of shirts. Hopefully make us some $. D has also been on a severe laundry kick and is furiously cleaning out her closet…probably to procrastinate on the AP english but at least something productive is occurring. She will remain sequestered until the project is finished.</p>

<p>She asked me today…“I really need to have a final list of colleges.” “Where should I apply to?” I knew this was going to happen. After all the years of big ideas, out of state etc… she would attempt to defer to mom. I think she already has a great list though so I will offer guidance but I really want her to feel like she did this and not me.</p>

<p>I heard my girls talking one day about their future wedding plans and D14 says “I can’t wait to pick out my wedding dress by myself!” D12 says “Aren’t you going to want mom along? I am.” So, just different kids and that is ok. I kind of like that D values my opinion. :)</p>

<p>Of course D14 is the one that said, when my Aunt asked where D12 was, “She is at home studying for the sat tests and if mom thinks I am ever going to do that she is insane!” She won’t either.</p>

<p>JHU social life - according to my nephew, most freshman parties are sponsored by fraternities or sports teams. More guys who are “social” join Greek, whereas it is not necessary the case for girls.</p>

<p>We thought we were done with campus visits, but we are in the process of arranging one last visit in Sep. With my brother’s help, D2 will get a private tour, interview and meeting with some professors at his alma mater. The alumni office is going to come up with an iternary for the visit. I am going to get in touch with my alma mater to see if they could also arrange something similar.</p>

<p>Just back from an 1100-mile weekend trip to look at Evansville and Wittenberg.</p>

<p>On Saturday, attended an open house day at Evansville. First impression: DD two days before had declared that she couldn’t understand why ANYONE would pick a school based on the appearance of the campus. We were walking to the reception center for the open house, and she says, “This is a beautiful place – I could really see myself going to school here!”</p>

<p>It is a beautiful campus – very compact for a school with nearly 3,000 students. Although all the buildings (except one) date from post-World War II, it does not have the brick-box-institutional feel that some campuses of like provenance have. Someone has spent some serious time designing and landscaping the campus, and it has a very homey feel. Especially moving is the memorial on campus to the 1977 men’s basketball team, which perished when their charter flight crashed on the way to an away game.</p>

<p>I’m guessing there were 300-400 families there at the open house. All in all, it was a very, very valuable experience. We found out a LOT that’s not on the website, or anywhere else that we’ve seen.</p>

<p>And the best part is, DD loved almost everything. This is a safety school for her, and based on this visit, she says she would be totally fine with going there. It’s also the most affordable private school on our list (at least in terms of sticker price), and with just a little bit of aid (which we appear likely to get), it would be someplace we could pay the freight.</p>

<p>The day began with several addresses in the auditorium, by the director of admissions, one of the business professors, and another luminary whose name and position I did not catch. This was a standard “what’s wonderful about our school” spiel and was the least helpful part of the day. They spent a lot of time, here and elsewhere, talking about the advantages of a small liberal arts school; I’m guessing they see their main competition as IU and other large state schools. With me, talking about the advantages of LACs is preaching to the choir, and I’m moving DD in that direction, although she still wants to look at UIUC and UIC.</p>

<p>The opening session was followed by a period in which each academic department (and each athletic coach) had a table, and students and parents could visit and get brief overviews of the programs of interest. My D was able to get several specific, important-to-her questions answered.</p>

<p>Next came two 45-minute periods for breakout sessions, at which more in-depth information was given about each program. They suggested that if a kid was interested in more than two programs that the family split up, which we did. DD decided she wanted to go to the sessions on education and languages, and she assigned DW and me to the sessions on neuroscience and biology/pre-med. I was very impressed with the professors and the programs at both of my sessions; the bio/pre-med one included a tour of the labs, which seemed very complete (although admittedly, I really have no basis for comparison). DD came back from her two sessions gushing about the education program – she especially liked that ed majors start working with kids in classrooms as freshmen – and about how cool the Russian program seems and how enthusiastic all the language department professors are about their subjects.</p>

<p>After lunch, the obligatory campus tour – our guide was enthusiastic about UE but otherwise mediocre – and then they split up the students and parents. The students were to a student-to-student panel, and the parents to a session on the admissions process and financial aid.</p>

<p>DD said she was impressed by the current students on the panel but unimpressed by some of the stupid questions that prospective students asked. She said she was sitting next to one kid who kept complaining (to her and nearby neighbors) that nobody had talked about parties. Since it’s a dry, Methodist, almost-Southern school, I’m guessing that there’s not a huge party scene, which suits DD (and me!) just fine.</p>

<p>The parent session was extremely useful. Some of it (the basics of FA) was not news to anyone who’s been through it before or who’s been on CC for any length of time, but then they got into the specifics, both about what they’re looking for in prospective applicants and how they make decisions on merit awards. Especially valuable was the Q-and-A session; there were a number of questions that I would not have thought to ask but that nonetheless elicited useful information.</p>

<p>The final event was an ice cream social. At the end, after most families had left, DW and I were sitting in a couple of comfortable chairs waiting for DD, who was off socializing with a new friend she had made, when one of the admissions reps came up, asked us how we had enjoyed the session, and sat down with us. We spent 20 minutes talking to him (DD joined us half way through), getting a number of very specific questions answered, and having a real in-depth conversation that cemented our family’s overall very favorable impression of the University of Evansville.</p>

<p>On Monday, we visited Wittenberg – not an open house, but a standard college visit, with a tour and an interview. I won’t go into the details of the school, because I can’t add much to mspearl’s excellent post of last week (<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/12920753-post6490.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/12920753-post6490.html&lt;/a&gt;). Unfortunately, it looks like it’s going to come off our preferred list, because of one major downer; not something that is of general interest and not something I’m comfortable posting publicly, but if you’re really interested, PM me. I say “unfortunately” because D1 graduated there a number of years ago and had a wonderful experience, and I was hoping D2 would like it; but some things are not meant to be, I guess.</p>

<p>So this coming weekend, after heading east last weekend, we’re headed west, to check out Truman State and St. Louis University.</p>