Parents of the HS Class of 2016 (Part 1)

@Dragonflygarden has good advice about outside scholarships and EFC (post #17635). Princeton and Dartmouth were mentioned re: breaking up EFC into parent and student contributions. Stanford and Duke do as well. There are probably others that do so as well. Everyone really needs to read the fine print on each and every financial aid award. We always do a detailed spread sheet. Things are not always as they appear to be on the surface. And don’t forget to appeal if something seems out of line, and do so asap.

@Mysonsdad- S '13 has spent a fair amount of time at Cal and says it is on the whole nice enough, but he thinks the protesters there are on the scary side and he’s been on many college campuses. Don’t know if that would be a factor for your kid? Wow, Northeastern was the place that was so far off on the NPC? That seems like a blatant case of bait and switch! Congrats on UVA!

@AsleepAtTheWheel - We usually camp out up in the hills on the East side of the bay after dropping S '13 off in the fall. There is some great real estate with very nice views up there. Maybe we went right by your place? Last fall a bunch of folks were planning on going to see the Raiders game the next day. It was a bit odd to see people actually excited about that prospect.

Congrats to @bookmom7, @happymochi and @kittymom1102 ! Sorry for those who were disappointed with Stanford results. It is a great place, but so are many, many others. We did not have to sweat through that one with S '16. Maybe he is the only one who did not have it on his radar? It feels like everyone was waiting anxiously to hear from them. Yikes!

@Ballerina016 - Sorry about Stanford, but you must be thrilled with your D’s choices! Will you be attending CPW? Our S '13 had to leave CPW early to make the interview at Mudd, which turned out to be a good thing, because he missed the Boston Marathon bombing. He would have been with his host’s frat up on the roof, watching the end of the race. He got the security alert when he was in Claremont. He loved Mudd and enjoyed the interview process and got one of the 8 scholarships, but in the end, like @sbjdorlo 's S '12, (hi @sbjdorlo -good to ‘see’ you!) chose to decline their generous offer. They do keep a long waitlist for the scholarship so even if your D is not selected initially, she may still have a shot. We got to know one of the higher-ups quite well and he said they typically lose the Stanford and MIT cross admits. Our S '13 got into both, so they did not seem the least bit surprised when he had to turn them down, and were very kind to him, regardless. What a great place and the food there is amazing, The Claremonts in general are wonderful…can’t say enough nice things. We had a different kid there-not at Mudd. She had friends at Mudd and spent plenty of time on their campus, especially in their dining hall! Then again, UCLA and every place on your short list is awesome! What a tough decision you have ahead of you. What a good problem to have.

@GoodGrief16 - Sorry about Stanford as well, but my goodness, your D is going to need something to help her narrow down that impressive string of acceptances! Good luck on the scholarship to you as well! Did you say which school, or are you worried about jinxing her chances?!

And congrats to everyone with the happy NMS news! Oh, and @frenchtoastlover on Amherst and anyone else I missed!

@PAO2008 -I hear you. We also made the mistake of telling our S he could wait and let the rejections narrow down his list. What a scramble when they don’t happen! Is he on all of the school’s Class of 2020 Facebook pages? My kids tell me that can be very enlightening. Just tonight, S '16 was commenting on one where many of the original posters have exited this week, presumably because they got into other places. He is a bit concerned that this school may not be a common ‘first’ choice. He’s doing his research and I’m doing mine and it seems to always come together in the end. Anyway, I think there will definitely be a few “crazy”-in a good way-weeks ahead!

Awww, thanks @EastGrad ! What are we going to do without you…even for a week?!

Wow, @4kids2graduate , it feels like I could have written your post myself, content wise, but you said it so much more eloquently than I ever could! I struggle with my kids being identifiable as well. It is hard to know what to do when there are positives when others are dealing with disappointment, and yet I want to contribute to the collective. Everyone here is so generous and each data point is helpful. You never know how many others are just silently reading along, but I know it has to be a large number. (Totally agree with @AsleepAtTheWheel on that subject.) The end of your post reminded me of the book ‘Where You Go Is Not Who You’ll Be’ by Frank Bruni. Read that with S '16 on the way to visit his potential ED school last year. Have you read it, by chance? Very insightful.

@kittymom1102 - You said “We’ll see what happens next week. Although, at the end money will be the deciding factor.” I know your S is in at Columbia and maybe Cornell? Did you apply to the rest of the Ivies? I know you were recently over the moon, when your S came home with the sweatshirt, thinking about your S going to MIT. I’m assuming your reference was re: Stanford vs MIT? The reason I ask is if you are talking money, Stanford will come out ahead of MIT unless you can cover the loans at the latter with outside scholarships. Is that possible? Stanford does not package loans and, for reference, their aid will probably be comparable to what Vanderbilt offered, which is very good. However, we have found that Harvard and Yale give the best need-based packages, followed by Princeton. This seems to be fairly consistent but YMMV.

Another thought is we know many people who have chosen MIT over Stanford because it is unbeatable as a STEM experience in a unique environment in a great city, and they figure any difference in cost can be made up with well-paid summer opportunities and the doors available post-graduation. In this case, maybe the least expensive choice is not the obvious one or necessarily the best value. (Again, @sbjdorlo can also speak to that!) Stanford is fantastic but has a very different vibe due to location and the many non-tech students on campus. Our guys know a ton of students at MIT that couldn’t imagine themselves anywhere else, including a very close friend of S '13s. They visited Stanford and MIT together. In the end I think any relationship choice should come down to, which one can you not do without? I have never seen more angst from students than the admitted MITers, trying to figure out a way to make it happen, even with a cost differential. I have also heard many waitlisted or rejected students desperately looking to get the MIT experience somehow in grad school, but it will not be the same. It seems to be such a one of a kind, almost rabid, be-all-end-all 4 years for the right kids. Would your S be devastated to miss that or could he be just as happy at say, Harvard (still Boston) if the money is significantly better? Good luck on Ivy Day and please let me know if I can help in any way.

CONGRADS to all receiving good news! I am on the SS Indecision stocking provisions and arranging the deck chairs in preparation for departure. There is ice cream of every flavor and celebratory beverages for the adults. I won’t be joining the cruise but will be in contact from shore and can helicopter out if something needs delivered. I hope the weather is pleasant but there are anti-nausea meds and ginger ale if the seas are rough. I wish a short but enjoyable cruise for all!

S was admitted to Haverford yesterday. It was his only school that didn’t release decisions online, so it was old school checking the mailbox. To be honest, it was really fun to see him all excited about receiving the “big envelope”.

Still waiting on three more decisions here including our state flagship UNC Chapel Hill. It seems like they are really late this year. Have any other flagships not released regular decisions yet?? They haven’t even announced a released date.

With all the accomplished kids here and all the rejections from Stanford, I wonder who even gets in?

Well it’s their (Stanford’s) loss!

Good thing your kids have many other wonderful schools to choose from.

I was on 2012 thread and it was equally bad but it has gotten lot worse with 4.7% admit rate.

DS has decided to do admitted students overnight visit.

What I thought was a clear decision has me now boarding the SS Indecision (possibly just for a day trip…)

But, I shall not complain- we do want to have all questions answered to make a final choice. Don’t want DS to look back and say “if I’d only —”

Yes @texaspg - that is one crazy stat (imo): 2,063 admitted out of 43,997!
Congrats to those accepted & hugs to those not in.

@bookmom7 Theoretically, it is a much worse number. They accept 300+ athletes who are recruited. So if you assume they took 300 people and looked for them upfront, they have a 4% rate.

Harvard received close to 40k apps also and will accept somewhere around 2k.

@asleepatthewheel Unless something changes on Thursday, D is most likely headed to Columbia since her deferred status fell through at S.

@AsleepAtTheWheel Your explanation about why everyone should post on the acceptance page/list eventually was great (and thanks for a specific example @carolinamom2boys )! Some of the reasons you gave just never occurred to me…but are excellent reasons. I think you have talked me into it!

I will wait until S16 has made a final decision though, so I can list all schools accepted to and highlight the one chosen…all at the same time. I am tech-challenged, so anticipate problems trying to complete that simple task even once!

Congrats and condolences to all as the case may be. I feel so out of it as D applied to all her schools early.

I haven’t posted much here lately as we have no new news and D is still sailing on the SS Indecision. We occasionally come close to a port and then sail back out to sea again. One thing that has occurred is that she says she wishes she had different choices. What we have found, as we have gotten into the nitty-gritty of looking at program requirements, general ed requirements, etc., is that no school is perfect. That said, she says she wants more options, but there is no specific school that she can name that she wishes she had applied to. I do wonder if the “perfect” school exists.

When we were looking for schools for her to apply to we really didn’t spend much time deep in the details, and I now regret that a bit. For example, University of Alabama was one of her favorites from a feel perspective and our least expensive option due to merit. Unfortunately, the program in her major didn’t really have the type of courses she was looking for and it would have been very hard to pull off the double major she wants. She had a very hard time letting that one go because she loved it so much, but she knew it just wasn’t right. I am still sad that she won’t go there because so much about it felt right. Another school, Fordham, also had a lot of good things going for it, but it had such an extensive core that the double major she wanted would have been impossible. Theoretically we could have known this all back in August before she started applying, but we really didn’t think to look at these things in detail back then. We were just going on location, size, feel, and the fact that they had her majors. I will try to change this with S19 though I know I will just probably make different mistakes.

Hopefully, we will end up at shore somewhere soon, and she will be happy and comfortable with her decision.

Long-time lurker here, but I’d appreciate some advice. DS has narrowed his choices to three: a huge “Public Ivy” flagship; a small, elite, remote liberal arts college in the NE, and a coveted course at a very well-regarded, mid-sized university in Scotland. He has visited and likes them all, but could they be any more varied?

“How can I possibly choose?” he asked a few days ago, and I identified real panic in his eyes. I was of no help, having given this stage in he process no thought at all. He changes the subject when I mentbionthis decision, seemingly not keen to chat about it, this important decision seemingly weighing heavily.
He’s very lucky to have them, but how does he choose from three such different options? Financial matters are not a consideration. He is wavering constantly, seeing pros and cons in all, so “go with your instincts” isn’t really what we’re seeking. Is there a scientific method anyone can recommend, a published list of considerations that one can weight, a recommended app which will produce the magic answer? I’d really like to help him to organize his thoughts in a useful way. Would be grateful for any tips and thoughts.

3.6% RD acceptance rate for Stanford this year.

Doing my own math here so correct me if I’m wrong. There were 745 kids who got in out of the 7,822 who applied REA. If you subtract that from the 2063 total number of kids who got in this year it leaves you with 1318 acceptances yesterday. If you subtract the 7,822 REA applicants from the 43,997 total applicants that means that 36,175 applied RD. Add back to this the 701 students who were deferred REA and it gives you 36,876 applicants who got decisions yesterday. So 1318/36,876 means a RD acceptance rate of 3.6%. I wonder if Harvard will be lower when results come out Thursday.

@JustOffTheBoat my DD is in a similar position with four very different options to choose from. I truly believe that, although her experience would be quite different, she would succeed at any of them. It helps to be able to say, “there really isn’t a bad choice.” I’m encouraging her to talk to the teachers she is closest to and maybe with a recent graduate from the schools she’s most inclined toward. Then just go with her gut. A coin flip wouldn’t be a terrible approach in her case.

@critter Thank you for your encouragement post. She took rejection very hard- it was her dream school. In reality the only real benefit of S vs M is a location. I regret advising her against applying to S early. I just did not want her to start with rejection, but maybe she would have better chances.

@me29034 @Cheeringsection started a new thread about how your idea of fit changed over the search process .You may want to hop over and give that valuable input. That being said , there is no “perfect” school . Each one will have compromises, and sometimes more choices does not equal better. Your daughter is a smart girl, she will thrive wherever she decides is right for her. If she truly can’t find one that feels right , maybe she should consider waiting a year. IMO; there’s a lot of pressure placed on kids to find a prestigious and highly ranked school. That pressure may be internal, but may also come from external sources. Unfortunately , it clouds the selection process and many schools that could be a great fit are often missed. I’m hoping she finds the right school for her and that these feelings are just part of the normal search process . Someone up thread suggested the book “Where You Go Is Not Who You’ll Be” by Frank Bruni. Maybe that can bring some clarity.

@critter Thanks for the very thorough post about Stanford and MIT. MIT still #1 on S’s list. Distance is a big issue with Stanford. We live in FL, so MIT is at least on the same coast. Flight time would be about 1/2 of that to Stanford, where coming and going would be a whole mission for S and us trying to visit him. Additionally, he really liked MIT’s campus “relationship” with Cambridge/Boston. Stanford campus seems a little “isolated.” So, not too crazy about that. He is also ready for a change in weather and scenery. In spite of all its beauty, coconut palms and beaches are all his known. He feels NE will be a bigger change, for at least 4 years.

He also likes the idea of being surrounded by kids with similar interest to his at MIT. Stanford students are all over the place in terms of areas of interests, which can be good as well. However, S thinks that share interests and share struggle creates a tighter community. He feels that at Stanford it will be a smaller community than at MIT. We are encouraging him to go to Admitted Student Weekend at Stanford, but he is TOTALLY MORTIFIED about missing so much school :((

He DID NOT apply to all the Ivies. Having the decisions we have now, I really don’t see things changing on 3/31. At the end of the day, S will make his decision but I’ll be very surprised if doesn’t end up at MIT. I’m crossing my fingers :slight_smile:

@Cheeringsection I had forgotten that your DS is already committed to a school. Did I miss the specifics, or are you waiting to reveal? Thanks for stepping up to be our cruise director for the SS Indecision!

Finally getting around to scheduling some senior portraits – didn’t like the ones that they did at school, and outdoor locations are greening up here nicely. It seems (from browsing photographer sites) that it isn’t as common for guys to go for professional photographers, but this one is my baby and I don’t think he’d do as well for me as he did when he was younger.

Glad that we only scheduled travel for the latter half of spring break. We have one weekend day as a family before S14 returns to school from his break. Hoping the kids don’t sleep through most of it.

@JustOffTheBoat - Scotland. Husband is a Chem E grad of Case Western Reserve University (did some classes while in HS at U of Rochester and RIT)…did his entire junior year abroad at Edinburgh. He says, hands down, the education he received in Scotland was the better than any classes he took here in the US. Many of the classes he took in Edinburgh were Chem E classes not just general ed/core. I did 1 semester of my junior year at U of London, also all directly related to my major) - and I agree with him education level in was on an entirely different scale. Although your son should be aware the “college experience” is VERY different. Much less hand holding, less school spirit, more like you are living on your own.