Paris deaths

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34845730

I don’t even want to get in an argument here about this. Just, wow, a different world. He worked in the emergency room in a large city and he had never dealt with a gunshot wound before.

@“Cardinal Fang” My guess is that that would be the case for most 35 year old ER docs at hospitals outside of the U.S.

@CardinalFang I live in a third world country and have multiple doctors in the family who will tell you that gunshot wounds are very, very rare.

@CardinalFang I live in a third world country and have multiple doctors in the family who will tell you that gunshot wounds are very, very rare in the hospitals they work in.

I just found out that two good friends of my niece–who just came back from Paris at the beginning of October–were killed at Bataclan, where my niece had apparently been to concerts, and a third friend, who was shot in the head, is in an induced coma.

@Consolation, that is so sad. Your niece must be devastated. :frowning:

Horrible. Your niece must be beside herself.

So sorry.

My sister, needless to say, is VERY happy that she is back in the US. Two of her Ds were living in NYC on 9/11, although nowhere near the WTC. I did not mention to her that my S wants to go back to Paris next year.

Beirut this time, then Paris. Next time it’ll be somewhere else, and that somewhere else might be in the US. We have to hope our governments are doing everything they can, and then live our lives. The French aren’t letting those punk terrorists push them around (je suis en terrasse).

Consolation, I hope your son has a happy and successful time in the City of Lights.

Compton because it is notorious for crime, not because of racial diversity…

@consolation: so, so sorry. :frowning: :-S

I kind of like Charlie Hedbo’s response to it, their typical very skewed fashion, the text went something like “sc** the terrorists, they have guns, we have champagne” with a guy drinking champagne and having it come out of holes (presumably from gunshot wounds)". It displayed a certain kind of ‘go ($$(! yourself’ attitude, I can appreciate that.

The horrible part about this is I look at the aftermath, and all I can say is what the hell did those who do this expect to happen? Did they really think this was going to cause some sort of mass panic, people telling the government to leave ISIS to create some sort of perverted Caliphate in the mideast? Did they really think this was going to accomplish anything, when other terrorist attacks have just gotten people even more angry and defiant? The sad part is that a lot of innocent people are going to suffer because of these jackals (and I apologize to Jackals, unlike the terrorists they serve a role in nature, an important one), Muslims in France and the rest of Europe are going to find themselves even more marginalized I suspect, and the poor refugees fleeing for their lives are going to find even colder shoulders (I just saw where the house passed a resolution basically de facto allowing the US to accept refugees from Iraq and Syria, for example).

^But that is EXACTLY what Daesh wants, right? Division, mistrust, and from their perspective, hopefully a jihadi war. They WANT us to come to them.

I’m very sorry, Consolation.

Latest news:
Prime Minister Manuel Valls (who is Hispanic??) lived less than 300 meters from the attacks in the 11th district.
It’s unlikely he was a target though.

France wants to present an international resolution at the UN to create a force against Daesh.
Russia’s unhappy and will present a competing international resolution.
The big difference apparently is that the French resolution takes Bashar Al Assad to task (but, unlike previously, doesn’t ask for his removal), whereas the Russian resolution considers that destroying Daesh = helping Assad.
(I’m sure the differences are bigger than this and that the document is actually a hundred and seventeen pages in small script, but we’ll know more in a couple hours).

Valls’ parents are Catalan/Swiss.

Of course, the likely reason that Daesh has not already been destroyed is that all of its enemies have different other allies and enemies, and the powerful ones (like Turkey, US, Russia) do not want to get stuck in the sinkhole of reconstruction similar to what the US got stuck in for years in Iraq.

ISIS - I don’t use Daesh - has its own capabilities and capacities. Its existence is a function of what it does, not the failure of others. One could say any place or state would be destroyed if everyone ganged up on it, unless of course that place successfully defended itself, but that’s a meaningless idea.

I want to add about the woman who blew herself up that, as [this article](Terror mastermind cousin blown up in Saint-Denis siege who never read the Koran liked to drink and smoke | Daily Mail Online) says and as I mentioned, like many of the planners/participants she was not religious, had a bunch of boyfriends and liked to drink and smoke before she suddenly … that’s the problem not many people want to talk about because it creates doubt about the very people who seem the least likely to become terrorists.

If Assad’s forces overrun an ISIS village and what’s left is a bunch of pre-teen “ashbal”-lion cub child soldiers trained in things like decapitating blond, blue eyed dolls and real captured prisoners, when they escape to the West, do they get to live in our backyards too? After all, it they were to stay back home, they’ll be as much of victims as the rest of their neighbors who’ve landed in Europe, right?