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I found the 2 prides with calculus ^ but they may indeed be full. Email them right now to ask about it?

Thank you, all - truly! Between the advice here - talking to Undergrad Stat advisor at admitted students day - and parent of a current engineering freshman who graduated from my son’s HS - it is pretty clear that my son should (and will) take Math 141 - no matter what he gets on the AP exam. (Since he is in Calc BC - I do think he should be ok to skip Math 140?).

I think he will also take Stat 200 - even though he could place out of it with AP Stat. It’s been a few years since he took that class - and with planning to major in statistics - better to have that class as a refresher (maybe) - or at least slightly easier in the fall since he should know the basics.

Totally agree about having a balanced schedule to allow time for sports. socializing and learning college life.

@MYOS1634 - I appreciated your thoughts on Econ 104 as well. Looks like he will fulfill that class with AP Macro. But - looking at the suggested academic plan - he may do something in the fall like Math 141, Stat 200, DS 200 (intro to data science - possibly) - as well as his Schreyer required classes of Eng. 137 - and LA 197.

If he does those - any thought on whether it would be better to do Math 230 in the spring (with Math 141 fresh in his mind) - or wait till sophomore year for Math 230?

Also - another dumb question - I know he’ll meet with his advisor to schedule fall classes. Do they register for spring now too - or is that done closer to semester 2?

Trying to help him look at the suggested academic plans for statistics and data science - and plan what makes sense for both (in case he double majors or changes major).

I really appreciate all of the great info in here - thank you!

and thank you @jbean45 for the student perspective - greatly appreciated!

If he knows his schedule will be super busy (outside of just classes) in the spring - maybe he is better off waiting till sophomore year for Math 230? (and take a less intensive Gen Ed or other requirement?) - also looking at Stat 184, Math 220, Stat 300, and Eng. 138. Seems like that’s a little too intense for second semester.

Again - thanks to everyone here for the thoughtful responses - much appreciated!

That was supposed to be a direct reply to Myos sharing potential schedule.

Thanks so much for this! Having looked at this myself today with a lot more understanding - this looks good for him. (Except he will likely do applied option - and should satisfy Econ 104 with AP Macro).

Thanks!

I hope he really really liked Math because he’s taking 3 quantitative classes at once. :smiley::wink:
Actually I don’t know whether taking DS 200 and Stats 200 is allowed, since they’re considered an equivalent pre-req for the data science major (perhaps not for a statistics major? Worth checking).
Since he’s taking Stats200, see if there’s an honors version - very appropriate for a Stats major. Then Stats 300 in the Spring should be relatively easy.
141 in the Fall, 230 in the Spring would be the best sequence indeed.
137-138H
He may have to take CS 131-132 (?)

Perhaps save 184 for Fall sophomore year?

I don’t know whether that’s what he likes but there’ll be an application based Leadership course for Schreyer students - there’s a retreat and a project.

Thank you! I guess he’ll figure it out when he talks to his advisor :slight_smile: He could probably move DS 200 to the spring if he needs - but then they had Stat 184 on the suggested list.

CS 131-132 will be required if he goes the Data Science (or double major stat / data science) route - otherwise just 131. Since he way prefers math to CS - I was thinking he may want to leave CS to sophomore year :wink:

Since he has already taken AP Stat - Stat 200 should be mostly review for him (I hope; he technically can place out of it with his AP Score - but from what I am reading - he may be better off taking it at PSU as a refresher). So my hope for him would be that Math 141 and Stat 200 are both more review than learning for the first time. :crossed_fingers:

Math 230, Stat 300 and Eng. 138 in the spring. And then maybe something lighter to balance it out? Save Math 220 and Stat 184 for sophomore year?

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Stats 200H, if offered, would look at the statistics he already knows from AP stats but from a university point of view, more in-depth, which would be good for a stats major. It would be interesting without being too difficult.
The SAP is weird because it has more gend eds Jr/Sr year than freshman/sophomore year - typically jr/sr years are when the student takes more advanced, major-related courses.
I would recommend he take one gen Ed in Spring in addition to 138 (the US or IL courses have lots of interesting options, for instance). If he takes them freshman/sophomore years, that’s space for advanced classes in his favorite subjects jr/Sr year.
Stats 184 is only a pre-req for Stats 380-480 (480 is a sort of lab for 380 but can be taken separately) and stats 400, so he could take 184-380/480 or 400 later as long as it’s consecutively.
You can place these and see whether taking 184 Fall Sophomore year, then 400 and/or 380-480, works?

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Thank you! She wants to go Pre-PT so I will definitely look at that now just to make sure. Thanks for the help everyone!

Hi, so my orientation is the 29th-1st and i have two guests going, my mom and dad. Do they have to attend all three days of orientation or just a couple?

Thanks for all of the Calc help!
Stat 200H does not seem to be an option for fall (unless they have something reserved for stat majors that is not showing in LionPath yet).

Given that he had a 5 on AP Stat (but two years ago) - and can take credit for it - how bad would it be to go straight to Stat 300?

Stat 300 is designed for students coming from AP Stats so he’d need to review beforehand because it’ll go fast but it’ll be a solid introduction to his would-be major (assuming he’s good at math and enjoys it).

Just Sunday and, if they wish, Monday. (There’s really no need to stay unless they want to hang out together on campus, visit, etc. You’ll be very busy.)
Parents are supposed to be gone by Tuesday lunch at the latest.

Thank you. He is good at math - and loves stat. I didn’t know if he should take Stat 200 to ā€œease inā€ - but just thinking it may make more sense to go straight to 300.
(BTW - he’ll be deciding all of this himself and with his advisor - I’d just like to understand so I can help talk it out with hi m if / when he asks).
Based on your other advice, also advising him to pursue Math 141(H).
Trying to follow the suggested academic plan - while also trying to give him a chance to get acclimated to college life.

Stat 300 and Math 141 (not H unless it’s not proof based) should be good. :+1:

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Thank you! Looking at public lionpath - the only time offered (as of now) for 141H conflicts with the better teacher for DS 200. I had read what you wrote about 141 beeing a weed out - and he does need to get some Honors credits in - but - based on what is available and open to him - looking like DS 200 may be his best option for Fall.
Math 141
DS 200
Stat 184
Engl 137H
LA 197

Does that sound reasonable?

Going to encourage him to get more gen ed type classes in the spring.

Math 230 (not sure H or not)
Eng 138T
Stat 300
Comm 170
Econ 102(H)

He will be making all these decisions himself - I just had the time to look now to be prepared for when he wants to talk.

I moved DS 200 to fall and Stat 300 to spring to keep him at 15 credits for fall - if he does Stat 300 - I think he’d be at 14. This way he would be at 15 credits fall / 16 credits spring.

He also needs to get 21 Honors credits in the first two years for Schreyer. Trying to help him come up with a balanced schedule that lets him ease into college a bit without loading up on all of the stat / comp sci classes from the get go.

Appreciate any / all advice - thank you!
(and I fully admit - I’m enjoying researching this more than working - but ultimately - he will figure this all out with his advisor(s).)

I would switch Comm 170 (H available?) or Econ 102H to Fall, and switch out Stat 184 to Spring (not a pre req for Spring classes). It’d offer him a bit more balance.
DS 200 gives him a taste of the subject he’s interested in, 141 is the rough class that’ll show him the difference between HS and college, 137 will be a small class and engaging, so a gen Ed would make more sense than an extra stat class he doesn’t necessarily need first semester&which could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back (pretty dry/not easy).
If he offers a schedule that isn’t stupid, his adviser will likely approve of it.
He should write down the date in his calendar, with multiple previous reminders, that X is the last day to drop&add, and down the line Y is the last day to withdraw.

If he needs credits, KINES 83: actions for stress management is 1.5 credits :grinning_face:

Thanks! There don’t seem to be Honors Classes for either Econ 102 or Comm 170 in the fall - and Comm 170 looks to be beyond full - he will have to talk with the adviser.

He is also checking out the Math 141 materials - he looked over the syllabus and is convinced that he has already covered all of the topics - so waiting to see what he decides (since I am decidedly not a math person and can barely make sense of the class description) - it’s all in his hands. But I am encouraging balance and easing in - and keeping in mind his spring will likely be busy if he works with the baseball team (his goal).

Greatly appreciate all of the input and info and have been passing it along.

He needs to take an old, retired Math 141 final (in real conditions) to see if he’d pass.

He can ask about the classes he needs and H credits, see if they haven’t opened sections yet.
I’d be surprised if Econ 102 and 104 weren’t offered both semester, or perhaps 104H only to discourage freshmen from taking 102 (harder, with more math models)? Unless he already has credit for it through AP.

LVP - thanks so much for this perspective. I keep coming back to this thread and re-reading.

My son hasn’t gotten access to the prior exams yet - but he looked at the syllabus - and sample questions / answers - and feels very comfortable with all of the material.

I tried to convince him to maybe take 141 as a review - but he seems pretty determined that he already covered everything. We’ll see what happens when he meets with his adviser - but at least as of now -he seems pretty set to skip 141 - so I am thankful to read your son’s position on it as well. My son feels very comfortable with the material (he worked really hard to understand the concepts in Calc BC) - so I’m guessing he will choose to go to 230 - and I will remind him to ask for help early (and often) if he needs it.

Again - all of the perspectives here are greatly appreciated!

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