He needs to actually email the Undergraduate Chair in the Math Dept, and politely request an old, retired 141 final so that he can know whether he places in 141 or 230 
before (date) when he meets with his Schreyer adviser, Dr Z. He needs to specify he intends to major in Statistics or DS.
Looking at a few sample questions wonāt tell him whether he does, in fact, have the sufficient depth 141 expects, .. or not.
Itās quite possible he does but if he doesnāt, starting on the wrong foot for his would-be major would not be good (understatement). Of course thereās always the drop/add period and if he has enough understanding/awareness to assess after a week that 230 may be too difficult, he can switch back to 141 within that period, but it has proved quite difficult to assess so quickly for freshmen +psychologically may be difficult to admit, and by the time midterms roll around all thatās left is dropping with a W and starting the following semester in 141ā¦
However if indeed 230 is the right placement for him, taking 141 would be needlessly tricky and would slow him down.
(ALEKS only determines whether the student is calculus-ready and thatās all his adviser will have, so coming in with the completed final would help his adviser make the proper recommendation.)
Thank you, MYOS1634 - really appreciate your insight and will pass it on. He meets with his Statistics advisor next week I think - and since he wonāt have his AP score yet anyway - pretty sure they will have him register for 140 or 141. (This year they are registering for classes before NSO).
They are also offering 141(H) in the fall ā¦ and I planted the seed that he should take that class - so even if 141 is āreviewā for him - he will have a head start on the class and be able to knock out 4 honors credits (and do the same in spring with 230H) - so between that and the English he has to take for SHC - he would complete 14 Honors credits freshman year (needs 21 by end of sophomore year).
Based on all I have read here - 141H seems like it would be a great option for him - and if he knows the material well already - then 141H can help with the transition into college (and other classes - and having a social life too). There is no rush to finish early - so why not try 141H? (thinking that would be better and less weed out hopefully than just 141).
He has a friend from the same HS who skipped 141 - and graduated from PSU / SHC in 3 years as a mechanical engineer - so I think heās looking at his path - but I reminded him - there is no rush and no need to go straight to 230 (heāll still come in with 14 credits even if he doesnāt use AP credit for 141).
Again - greatly appreciate all of the info and insight. Iām sharing it in the brief moments I get to talk to my senior in between all of the other important things (like baseball playoffs and senior assassin 
)
Senior assassin???
Assuming itās a school-wide game 
141H, if things havenāt changed, would be proof-based math. Itās not weed out at all but Iām not sure you can start in proof based math if you havenāt learned it (ie., taken 140H first) since US HS donāt teach proofs. Itād be a question for the adviser.
Scroll down to see sample questions.
Is the adviser from Eberly?
Sample questions to solve without a calculator
(Scroll to ācourse informationā, click on 141 or 230).
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He meets with the group advising on Friday. Heās still talking about going straight to Math 230 - and Iām still trying to convince him that he should really consider starting with 141H
He really doesnāt want to repeat the topics in 141 -weāll see what the adviser says (he doesnāt fully believe me about college confidential )
I donāt think he can start in 141H because, unless things have changed, that class is proof-based (140-141H function as a different sequence for future math majors interested in math research. Itās different from taking 102H vs. 102). So itād be 141 vs. 230.
His adviser wonāt be able to help much if he doesnāt come with the results of the retired 141 final so the priority would be for him to take said test today.
I guess heāll find that out when he has his call - because what does mom know
He talked to a just graduated friend (who had the same class in our HS and was in Schreyer and a Mech Eng.) - and the friend advised him to skip anything he can test out of and go straight to 230.
So - weāll see what they allow him to register for and what he chooses to do. He already did everything available on the website (same as at the link you gave) - and feels very comfortable. Itās his decision to make (good or bad) - but I appreciate all of the advice you gave! Itās in his hands
Tentative schedule for fall:
-Math 230
-Econ 102
-Stat 300
-Eng 137H
-LA 197
So at least heās at 14 credits for the semester which should be doable (and likely coming in with 18-21 credits from AP / DE).
Thanks again for all of the advice - greatly appreciated!
Thanks! Just checked the website - itās 400 or 500 level classes in the first two years that would count as Honors - but he has a few 400 level possibilities for sophomore year (getting way ahead - but just trying to get a general idea).
And thanks for the input on AP / DE - he is using for real classes I believe (Econ 104, Stat 200, Math 140 and 141, and a political science class - I think).
As far as 141 - I think itās just sample questions and not a test thatās available - but he was super comfortable (and I think comfortable enough to seek help if needed as well) - he also looked at the syllabus and has already covered all of the topics. 
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The topics have the same names, but there are some new additions throughout, according to my friend who also took BC.
According to him - the group session was a bit of a waste since they were just talking to them in a group - and telling them to do all of the things on the NSO checklist (which he had already done because it was supposed to be done before the group call).
He has a 1-on-1 advising appt tomorrow with an advisor from Statistics - I will update after that! But another friend (Smeal) - made the same suggestion. Do the group session - then make a 1 on 1 advising session.
How to request for 1-on-1 session? i think my sonās group session is somewhere from June11-June19 (since his may25th one was cancelled). Thanks.
Yes, definitely for the one-on-one session, and he should reach out to Schreyer too. 
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Not sure if they can do the individual session before the group one - my son was able to schedule his after his group session.
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Just want to re-iterate that some kids go straight to 230 and do fine. But he also needs to know to be in top of things - go to class - any tutoring - ask for help. Donāt flounder and be surprised at the end.
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Yes, thatās what my son is planning to do and wants to start directly on Math230 in 1st sem and I adviced him to may be do it a semester later. Heās waiting for this group councelling thing and then will request for 1-on-1 and hopefully touch base with SHC to see if he can do that.
Students who took Calc BC and scored a 5 are allowed to enroll in Math 230. However, because 141 is more in-depth than the typical BC class, students canāt assume theyāre ready for 230. They may or may not be.
He needs to politely ask the Math septās undergraduate chair for an old, retired 141 final and take it in real conditions. If he does well, heās ready for 230 - otherwise he should take 141.
Having the exam and its results will help the one-on-one sessions with the shc or math adviser.
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Updating here as my SHC / Stats kid met with his stat advisor yesterday. I was really impressed that they met for more than an hour.
She agreed to putting him in Math 230H (again - based on questions raised here by MYOS1634 - I questioned if he can go straight to 230H - as opposed to 230). I think the adviser thinks 230H might be better in terms of how the class is graded? Iām not sure.
I am just mom 
- and my recommendations to follow the advice here and get an old test has also fallen on deaf ears. As of now - he is waiting for the approval to go through to register for 230(H) - but I have encouraged him to really look into it before taking the Honors version.
As of now - he also registered for a heavy schedule with 4 classes M/W/F - and then 1 on T/Th. I am encouraging him to see if he can get a change for more balance.
Also - as an FYI - although he has AP Credit for Stat 200 and should be able to go straight to Stat 300 - his adviser - who is also the prof for Stat 300 - strongly suggests that he take Stat 184 before Stat 300 - even though it is not listed as a requirement in the course catalog.
Every Stat 184 class is full (with almost full waitlist) - so heās trying to navigate that now as well.
So - tentative classes (once approved) -
- Stat 184
- Econ 102
- Math230H
- Eng 137H
- LA 197
Iām hoping he gets some clarity on Math 230 (or 230H) - and also - sees about moving stat to T/Th so his daily schedule can be a bit more balanced.
Although Iām sure he could handle it - trying to convince my son he doesnāt need to build a miserable schedule for himself with each of his bigger classes on M/W/F.
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LEAP 
stories!
heās fine 
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