Did he happened to also meet with SHC advisor? For my son, the very first group counselling itself is after 11th June.thanks for sharing the info.
Thank you @MYOS1634 for the input. After the group counselling, does the student send an email to admissions to request for 1-on-1 for any clarification for registration? Will that be with department heās being admitted to (eberly science in my sonās case)?.
Stat 300 is supposedly designed for students who got a 4-5 in AP Stats so itās significant its professor would recommend not starting with it. Was your son able to explain what the professor said about it?
(Stat 184 can be taken Fall or Spring of freshman year or even Fall sophomore year. He could take a Gen Ed or math 220 instead.)
Yes, I would absolutely reach out to the professor who teaches 230H to ask if itās proof-based math or not. At the very least itāll be a way for him to introduce himself, perhaps ask for the textbook references so that he can start reviewing whatās needed ahead of time, etc
Was there really no Econ 102H? (I saw that in the schedule but thought it odd that such a commonly required/taken class wouldnāt have an honors version - and itād make a big difference in learning environment. Itās the big surprise here.)
3 MWF/1TTh is better than the apocalyptic 1MWF/3TTh but obviously 2/2 is ideal 
so fingers crossed.
My son is also in Eberly. For statistics at least - there is a link to schedule an advising appointment.
Not to overshare - but sharing again in case it would help anyone else - my son and I looked over his schedule again today - and he has scheduled another advising appointment for tomorrow to review.
Given that Comp Sci 131 is also required for Statistics - heās looking at taking Comp Sci 131 in place of Stat 184 this semester - that enabled him to look at a lot more scheduling options.
Also - for anyone else reading this that is in Schreyer - the Rhetoric Class they have to take is Engl 137 / Cas 137 (H). Turns out that the Engl. 137 classes were full for T/TH - but CAS 137H is not - so he was able to balance his schedule (at least in the schedule builder) to that class.
So now its:
- Econ 102 (going to see if he can do an Honors version by working with the Prof) - used rate my professor for input on which session to register for.
- Math 230 (he doesnāt think he wants to go straight to the H version)
- ENG/CAS 137H
- Comp Sci 131
- LA 197
Thatās only 14 credits - but considering he is coming in with at least 18 - I think heās fine to go 14 first semester and ease into college life (and Math 230!).
Heās also got a much more balanced schedule now - only one day with 3 classes - the rest with 2 plus a web class. (CMPSCI 131)
@MYOS1634 - as far as Stat 184 - the adviser gave the impression that even though it doesnāt appear as a pre-req. - students that take Stat 184 before Stat 300 are much more comfortable in the class. So - heās going to see about taking Stat 184 in the spring and Stat 300 in Fall of sophomore year.
As you previously noted - the stat recommended academic plan is heavy on major specific classes early on - and then lots of Gen Edās in the later years. Hoping to help my son balance that out a little - and also explore other interest areas in his first year. And right now - everything in the first semester is still good for his major and gives options for which statistics path to follow.
By the time he registers for spring - hopefully registering as an SHC student - he wonāt have to worry about all of the Stat 184 classes being closed - and with Comp Sci 131 out of the way - if he never wants to take another Comp Sci class - he wonāt have to
Thanks for all of the info and advice - Iām sure Iāll be back here seeking more expertise 
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Thatās a great schedule! Congratulations to you and your son. Thatās quite a lot of work and thinking. 
Yes, 184 in the Spring makes a lot of sense - especially since heāll have early registration and will be able to register for his favorite scheduling slot or with the best rated professors.
Also, 14 credits is quite respectable for a first semester freshman. Heāll be very busy.
In addition to class time and problem sets/preparation, heāll have to plan study groups or join one, go to office hours every week especially in the first few weeks * (highlighting or marking in his notebookās margins whenever he has a question about something in the hw, the lectureā¦isnāt sure he understood, isnāt sure how to get to the correct answer, is confused about why x.. finds X really interesting and wants to know more ā¦) and before exams the review sessions.
(*Freshmen often wait till office hours right before the first exam, so that thereās a line, theyāre not comfortable meeting with the professor, and if they missed something 3 weeks before itās going to be quite difficult to catch up. The first three weeks thereāll be no one so itāll be like a mini tutorial going over whatever is even slightly confusing.)
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Great advice - thank you! I plan to share all of this with my son as I am able.
Another thing he did with his schedule that I am really happy about - he has a 9:05 am class as his first class every day. Not too early at all ā¦ but nice to have a steady schedule every day.
And he built in time for lunch - breaks - and last class ends by 4:40. All in all - hoping advising approves this because I think it makes a lot of sense for him. 
Hoping heās way smarter than I was when I entered college - and treats it as a 9-5 (at least at the beginning) - so he can have some down time on nights and weekends. (Time for football, socializing and whatever else )
Next questions will be about minors for applied stat - he needs to do a minor. Looking at possibly information systems management through Smeal - but I know some of those classes are tough to get. But - heās got a little time to figure it out after first semester is booked
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thank you for sharing the classes/credits. that was useful.will check with my son to see if he has the link (physics major) for scheduling anything (may be it becomes available after the group counselling which itself is now June11-19. he will also start with 20 or 22 credits and heās unnecessarily planning to sign up for 19 credits in the fall sem. Quick question. did your son schedule any 1-on-1 with Schreyerās advisor?
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He did not schedule with a SHC advisor yet - and his one-on-one schedule did become available after his group session.
But - he also spoke to someone in advising while he was still in the decision making process - so I am sure there is someone your son can reach out to if he wants.
Are they even allowed to take 19 credits?
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Yes, 19 credits is WAY over the recommended limit. Schreyer students may take 16-18 credits once theyāve gotten used to college but 19 is unreasonable, unless his goal is to drop a class and heās not sure which one - but youād have to pay for 19, so 
. Using the drop add period (attending all classes you could be taking and switching one after the 2nd class period you attended) makes more sense.
Knowing how to balance your schedule is also a skill: balance between subjects, between daysā¦
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Ok thatās a good info. my son has assumed that since heās paying (well me:-)) for the semester, he can pile on as many classes (well, thatās an 18 year old ). Iāll ask him to plan for 14 credits and drop that 230 thing that you mentioned being quite tricky. being OOS (actually US citizen but international), its bit tricky to find folks and we are taking advantage of reddit/Quora and this form as much as we can to find more info.
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are you in state and meet advisors in the school or all online? weād love to get some advise on how to find an advisor outside of normal schedule and stuff. couple of Schreyerās Seniors on Reddit/Quora helped us quite a bit and am here to find more info. Thank you.
Iām so sorry he wasnāt recognized as instate. My understanding is that graduating from a PA HS is recognized for PHEEAA grants (if youāre financially eligible) and I donāt know how itās considered for PASSHE. But itās not fair a student from PA, graduating from a PA HS isnāt considered instate. So I understand his impulse to try and āmake the most of itā.
Well, heās correct that youāre going to be charged the same as long as heās full time - and they extend that to 19 credits (and I think that applies to the international rate too). So I guess heās trying to āsaveā you money 
even if heās going about it in a way that would make it impossible for him.
(I suppose he could try taking 17-18 credits in the Spring although itās not recommended).
Other parents can discuss the wisdom of registering for 19 and dropping 1-2 courses vs. just switching one class during drop/add period.
However from an academic point of view, 19 credits are undoable for a first time freshman- 14-16 is really a reasonable, tested recommendation, especially if heās taking advanced classes.
What does his schedule look like?
He should have 137H, a gen ed, and 2 classes related to his major.
Wrt 230 it depends on his preparation and the best way to know whether heās ready or not is to review the syllabus then to take an old, retired final for 141. He shouldnāt assume an AP class is the same as the equivalent college course because it wonāt be but for any major-related or sequential class he needs to figure out whether his specific HS teacher taught more and in such a way that he can take the next college class in the sequence; depending on the HS and how well he did in the class, the best way is by taking the final.
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Hi Jay. We are in state - but everything has been online. My son has been able to go online to schedule meetings with individual (statistics) advisers in Eberly - but I donāt know if that option was available before he did the group counseling (on zoom) that was part of NSO.
My son did another advising appointment yesterday (I think scheduled right through the statistics website - he just found available advising times) - he was able to fix up his schedule somewhat - now the issue is that they think he should not not have a Statistics class in the fall since he is a stat major - so he may switch from CompSci 131 to Stat 184. Heās already placed out of Stat 200 - not sure if waiting till spring for Stat 184 should be that big of a deal - but Iām not the professional. They said ultimately itās up to him so he will need to decide ā¦
@jay - What major / college is your son in?
Iām going to have to check out Reddit and Quora as well!
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I donāt understand how being in-state has to do with advising since it is virtual this year?
19 credits is way too many. That is the stuff the Schreyer students burn out of SHC for. (I canāt remember @Jay_bharadwaj if he is Schreyer?).
Fall - and college - is an adjustment. 14-16 is the right place. What is his major again?
@MYOS1634 and I are happy to help and point you in the right direction.
With regards to going straight to math 230 instead of 141, we have different opinions. If a kid is strong in calculus * and has had excellent preparation * - going straight to 230 avoids a weed out class (141). The problem becomes with kids who didnāt really come from a strong calc teacher and get slammed in 230. We have no way of knowing your specifics. I just know my son went straight to 230 and did well there. But not all have a similar experience.
Just be wary of advice on quora and Reddit. There may be other motives there. Double check it here first.
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My son will be eberly science physics major (UP campus). Since chemistry and math230 collide heāll decide between one of them and that reduces the credits to 15 or 16. His group counselling got cancelled on 05/26 and pushed to 06/11 causing issues since he cannot schedule or commit to any courses until after that appointment concludes. Thanks.
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Hi @lucy_van_pelt, my son will be in UP campus. Eberly science with physics as intended major. Heās admitted SHC. Yea heās comfortable with Calculus mainly due to 11-12 grade high emphasis. We couldnāt get anyone on Reddit or Quora for physics related Qs but kids and some parents provided feedback in general. Once his group advising gets over heāll request for 1-1. We took the advice from this forum to restrict the courses for 14-16 credits but nothing is submitted since the tool doesnāt allow right now. Will have to wait until 11th
Yes he will have 137H, heās taking some GE (depending on availability post 06/11, interested in data science), math 230H, Chem 112, physics 2 courses (donāt know the numbers), and some seminar. If he gets AP credit for 112, it goes away, otherwise it was conflicting with 230h and he has to take that in spring.
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Could he reach out to Schreyer, explaining heās a rising freshman whose general advising session was cancelled and pushed to 6/11 but heās seeing a conflict between math 230 and physics 211?
Also asking the difference between 230 and 230H, whether a student coming from (highest class taken in HS) can take it or not.
If 230H is proof-based, it would be a problem, unless his curriculum included proofs, which is rare in American HS (outside Stem academies or some specific schools, etc.)
GE would mean something like sociology, foreign language, art, history, ie., sth outside Eberly since all the science&math GE are already covered by his major. This could be an introductory honors class.
I asked my son to look at his schedule (planned one) again. Sorry his Chem 112 and physics 214 collide. Heāll get AP credits for phy211/212 (results pending on July1st week ), heās confident. Math230/230h both are ok on schedule. worst case heāll move chem112 to spring and best case it goes away due to AP credit (Chem is not his strength ). Heās sending a note to SHC for further info about scheduling.
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@Jay_bharadwaj - in the SHC info / website - they also recommend taking LA 197 (one credit). So my son - also SHC and also in Eberly - is taking ENG/CAS 137H, LA 197, Econ 102 (Honors option, hopefully), Stat 184 or CompSci 131 (TBD) - and Math 230.
An engineering friend who just graduated SHC (in 3 years) recommended not taking any Honors classes in the major (so heās choosing to do 230 rather than 230H). Based on all that I have read here - and my sonās experience and research - he feels that he will be more like @lucy_van_peltās son - and he is comfortable going straight to 230 (but will skip 230H in favor of Honors option for Econ).
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