<p>My entire discussion on this thread is about the public denunciation of Paterno in regard to this situation. It seems to me that his involvement was the reason for the massive coverage and outrage. I am not seeing the same level of interest with the Citadel incident. Joe Paterno may have failed here. He may be evil or incompetent but I do not see how we have near enough information to determine that.
This story has become all about Joe Paterno- should it be?</p>
<p>vlines- McQuery says he talked to the police plus if I speak to the civilian director of a police department my expectation should be that the police are not really involved?</p>
<p>EPTR- the DA better hope you are not on the jury they want everyone to find McQuery credible.</p>
<p>If you discuss with the police that a boy was raped, would it ever be possible that there is no recorded evidence of an investigation afterwards? Can the police have a virtual investigation? By virtual, I mean an investigation where they talk with witnesses and various parties involved by absolutely no documentations of it.</p>
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<p>I strongly disagree with this. Many of the principal figures in this case have been discussed in this thread. It has absolutely NOT been all about Paterno.</p>
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<p>Not an expert on this but football at Penn Stae is the school spirit and permeates to everyone’s everyday life much like Ivies maintain certain campus culture through holistic admission. I doubt their amazing ability to fundraise, network is accidental.</p>
<p>Nrd- tell me about the incident at the Citadel? I agree many others besides Joe Paterno have been discussed on this thread but this is a national story because of Joe Paterno.</p>
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<p>Grand Jury Report Link.
<a href=“http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C4181508116.PDF[/url]”>http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C4181508116.PDF</a></p>
<p>So far there has been no fact emerge that is in contradiction to the grand jury report…except for Sandusky’s denying the charges.</p>
<p>@tom1944, </p>
<p>Another poster summed up the Paterno aspect quite succinctly with the Spiderman credo:
With great power comes great responsibility.</p>
<p>I don’t think the Citadel had a Spiderman</p>
<p>“This story has become all about Joe Paterno- should it be?”</p>
<p>I completely disagree. There are all kinds of discussions going on here, and Paterno is sometimes part of it but it is hardly all about him. However, I would agree if you limit the discussion to the ones where you are involved.</p>
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<p>Tom, I honestly don’t know the answer to that. Did he talk to the director assuming he was talking to police? Or is he using that conversation as a red herring, or was he convinced by others that the conversation he had with Schultz met the requirement of reporting to police (but maybe really did not?)?? And is Schultz really the director for campus police that is a police official, or is he a PSU campus department head that the campus police falls under, but he has no real oversight of official police level responsibilities? </p>
<p>I too think that there are way too many unanswered questions and gray areas in this whole situation.</p>
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<p>How about just wait, hold the judgement. We have enough lives affected gavely already. Do we need to ruin more lives on speculation? If you think about, it is really our society that let these kids down. If we have empowered the child protection service the way it should have been, it wouldn’t be easy to brush under. Social Service is always underfunded, has the lowest priority hurting the most vulnerable. This was bound to happen and has happened. I doubt this will be the last since I don’t see CPS gaining any prestige anytime soon.</p>
<p>Some people, more than others, could benefit from reading this, but offered in the spirit of moving the discussion forward to personal and community based “what will prevent this again”</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/opinion/brooks-lets-all-feel-superior.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/opinion/brooks-lets-all-feel-superior.html</a></p>
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<p>Pardon me while I throw up.</p>
<p>It was a sick athletics-at-all-cost culture and the so-called educators who enabled it who “let these kids down” - or, to replace your euphemism, “who enabled a know predator to repeatedly rape these children.”</p>
<p>GMT- I agree with that statement and I believe Joe Paterno does also.</p>
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<p>How cute! You triumph since you do a revolting thing with manners.</p>
<p>annasdad- your standard on this thread and the plagiarism thread are different. One you want the facts to come out and not jump to conclusions and the other not so much. Now I grant you the transgression on this thread is much more severe but is that a justification to jump to conclusions before all the facts are out?</p>
<p>Here is your post#33 from that thread-Before being too quick to pass judgment, remember that what was posted here is one side of the story.</p>
<p>to MrK, post2474
I think when mini brought race into it, and also said “welcome to America”, I think mini was being facetious, deliberately being absurd to demonstrate how some people will bring race to a topic merely as a tactic in an attempt to be persuasive. At least, * I hope * that was the intent.</p>
<p>Obviously, if cancelling a football program because of coaching/mgmt crimes can somehow be considered discriminatory to black players, then we could also say keeping the team * because * there are black players could also be discriminatory.
Further, we could even say since blacks make up about 15% of our nations’ population, why are there more blacks than whites on a football team? Is that discrimination against athletes of other races?
Mini brought out in a clever and subtle way how some will unfairly inject race into a discussion.</p>
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<p>Well then, I am confused. Supposedly in an email, McQueary asserts that he did “stop” the assault and he did “talk to police.”</p>
<p>According to the GJ report, McQueary saw an assault in progress and “was shocked but noticed that both victim #2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught.”</p>
<p>It goes on to say “The graduate assistant was never questioned by University Police and no other entity conducted an investigation until he testified to the Grand Jury in December 2010.”</p>
<p>A little off topic here. Since someone mentioned race, originally quoted by TutuTaxi</p>
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<p>It’s ironic some people condemn We are Penn State chant.</p>
<p>If we are getting to what the Board needs to do to put in place actions that help keep this from happening again I very much disagree with the notion of the NY Times piece that much of this just reflects human nature.
In my opinion what is being revealed with this situation is the insular, protective nature of college campuses. And it is represented best by the role of Campus Police. Police implies justice, protection of the innocent, putting criminals away from society. Police on campuses is the opposite-its about protecting the reputation of the school. Campus Police officers are impotent and incompetent, and thats how Universities want it.
The first action I would take would be to dissolve the campus police and work with the local county police force to establish a police prescence on campus that only indirectly reports to the University.
Second action I would take is have mandatory retirement for all athletic department employeees at 65.
Incident decribed below example of incompetence and problems with campus police:</p>
<p>[UCF</a> police officer fatally shot by Orlando police - ESPN](<a href=“Fantasy baseball forecaster - Team hitting and stolen base ratings and platoon matchups for daily and weekly leagues - ESPN”>UCF police officer fatally shot by Orlando police - ESPN)</p>