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<p>So true - there is no Pepe’s pizza in Memphis!</p>
<p>Has she gotten any closer to a decision? Did they send the FA package yet?</p>
<p>Son was mentioning something about a minimum loan thingy? Does that apply to the likes of Vandy, Emory or Duke or is it just at the ivies?</p>
<p>I am also assuming Yale has this? Maybe not?</p>
<p>I noticed the accessneed(?) is different than the Profile. Did you find it easier to fill out (not as invasive as CSS)?</p>
<p>She has done incredibly well but even more important she has been well-educated and her goals have been on-target. How often that can change…and yet she has more than exceled.</p>
<p>And those SAT numbers, well…son’s weren’t nearly as high as that of his freshman roomies (perfect 2400s) and in at son’s ivy, rejected at MIT that year they have not done as well as they (or their parents) hoped, shows up in college GPA’s, class performance, MCAT and GMAT scores, job offerings, grad school acceptances…</p>
<p>Son has observed that it could be that the higher SAT scores (especially Math) could be due to earlier math exposure rather true ability. SAT math does not have calc, def eq or econ calc, and after the first semester or 2 the playing field is definitely more level.</p>
<p>Then ability counts some, but not nearly as much as hard work, discipline and being goal-detailed-oriented. And whether mudge did that at Yale or Rhodes would be moot. She set the stage, she set her goals, she picked her research and that she did it at Rhodes is what worked for her and could also work for others as similarily driven. That is why she has EIGHT med school acceptances including YALE!</p>
<p>Yale wasn’t the goal, med school was and it just so happens that particular med school (YALE) excels at the type of medicine she wants to practice. If it had been XYG med school that was one of the top in her area of interest then we would all be celebrating XYG acceptance.</p>
<p>I cannot say that son’s experience at his ivy is any better than Curm’s daughter and they have the same goals and probably took many of the same classes. He took advantage of the many opportunities his school offered him but again not all that much different then your daughter Curm. </p>
<p>What shapes and determines their expereince and education is themselves. College is to give them a path, it is up to them what they take in along the way.</p>
<p>Again, congrats to your daughter, what a magnificent accomplishment- multiple med school acceptances!</p>
<p>Kat</p>
<p>Yes, we know that Rhodes is not Yale. No one, absolutely no one, has said they were the same. What we did say is that Mudgette got as great an education as she would have had at Yale. She made it happen. That is not true of every student at Rhodes, even some who may be as bright as Mudgette (they do exist–the 7%). The proof is in the pudding, er, the med school acceptances. I do not think that Yale Med had to bend backward to admit non-Ivied Mudgette, far from it!</p>
<p>The wine study: cns.caltech.edu/people/faculty/rangel.html
If that doesn’t work, try antonio rangel, phd wonderful man</p>
<p>In an ideal world, money would not be a factor in ability to attend whatever UG college that one was admitted to. Unfortunately, in this country it is and has been. It takes focus to study and do ECs in a lab when those around you are playing. One has to find quiet places to study. Fellow students who share your goals are harder to find in some schools. </p>
<p>Mudgette chose to “compromise” on choice of UG, and made the absolute most of the resources. This path would not have worked well for many of our children, and each of us tries to find the optimal route to our child’s happiness and success.</p>
<p>You know, I don’t want to beat this to death…BUT…isn’t it possible that kids can do better in an environment where they can shine brightly vs being one of the many bright bulbs in the room? (Not that Rhodes has dim bulbs…most of those kids are likely very bright…it sounds like an engaging place to me).</p>
<p>And how do you REALLY know how your kid will do in any given environment? How do you know if the path was not taken? In this case, the result was fabulous…hey, maybe even better than it would have been if somehow money dropped from the sky for Yale UG. You just never know…</p>
<p>kat, I’ll pm you.</p>
<p>post 162: “In what ways is the QUALITY of education and undergrad experience significantly different between Rhodes and Yale”</p>
<p>several of you keep saying that no one is saying that Rhodes and Yale are similar, will how would you interpret post 162?</p>
<p>i don’t follow the combined stats thing above but none of this is personal to me, I just don’t agree with the notion that Rhodes is only a bit different than Yale. I think it’s significantly different, I wonder how far down the LAC ranking we’d have to go before this thread thought there was a significant difference in schools. or is all wine the same:) which by the way was a weird post considering Rhodes is about 40k or so a year, for kids without scholarships/aid.</p>
<p>and curm you did say that 20% of the student body at Rhodes could have gone to a big name school, in the context of the discussion you meant HYPS or similar. that’s just not even close to true, so what’s up with that?</p>
<p>i do like this thread though, everyone is intense:)</p>
<p>Goodness. I’ll try one more time. Nobody is comparing the two student bodies. If they were —Yale wins. Ta-dah! How hard is that? Jeebus. </p>
<p>But the top students at Rhodes are indistinguishable by ec’s and tests scores from admittees of <insert top=“” school=“” here=“”> because in many cases they are the same kids. 
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<p>7% is too low. 20% is my D’s number and I think it’s verified by the numbers on the CDS, unless you want to discount the significant under 700/SAT (or even under 750) section kids at Yale as being unworthy of their admission. At least, I hope you are not saying that. </p>
<p>The top students at Rhodes that I know turned down Duke, Harvard, Yale, Amherst, Stanford, Colgate, Hamilton, Wash and Lee, Emory, Vanderbilt, WashU …I could go on and on with top twenty schools and that’s just kids I know. But I have a sneaking suspicion that that won’t matter much to you. </p>
<p>Trust me. There are smart kids at Rhodes. There are smart kids at many other fine schools with test score stat profiles similar to Rhodes. (Check many of the Top Publics, for example.)</p>
<p>I’m sorry my kid’s story offends you so much. I didn’t intend it to cause you any pain. </p>
<p>Edit: And nope. I did not mean HYPS . If I had I would have said HYPS. I said “other bigger name places”.</p>
<p>OK, let’s see if I get what you’re saying pac…in plain terms. No dancing around. </p>
<p>Some smart kids are lucky enough to choose to be with a whole school of smart kids. Others are left to attend schools with only SOME smart kids. These kids are there due to lack of cash because why on EARTH would anyone make that choice otherwise? It can’t be true that these kids, ambitious and smart, could possibly have a quality experience as they’re constantly being dragged down by the masses. And it just can’t be possible that these smart ambitious kids will get MORE attention from the faculty and MORE opportunities…like studying abroad or perhaps working on research projects. That just can’t be true. They have to hide out in library cubicles and search far and wide to talk about Plato. That’s just the way it is. I feel sorry for them…of course I won’t say that because it’s not socially acceptable…but I really do feel bad. Even if they go on to be successful doctors, professors, whatever, they missed out on something HUGE. </p>
<p>Did I get it?</p>
<p>From post 162 from 2boysima:</p>
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<p>NB: “for a driven, focused 18-year old with a desire to attend a professional school”</p>
<p>This describes Mudgette to a T. Mudgette, one of the several Rhodes students who could have attended Yale, had she so wished and her parents’ funds stretched that far.
Mudgette’s story, by the way, is a repeat of the story of Evil Robot who turned down Yale for Vanderbilt because of the latter’s better financial aid package.</p>
<p>toneranger, I spent a little time looking at pacheight’s past posts just for funsies. It’s illustrative …to say the least. </p>
<p>I’ll give you my synopsis, paraphrased of course ;):</p>
<p>Stanford- goodest.
USC-undervalued.
Harvard sucks big-time. (Not even Top 15.)
Berkeley is for morons.
SAT is God.
GPA is for losers.
Even though no one in my family has ever attended an elite school, I know everything about them.
Picking a school based on athletic team and coach first, school second is smart.
Picking based on cost or career aspirations is stupid.
If you won’t pay elite freight cheerfully your values are all cattywampus (you’d rather spend it on new cars ;)), cause you know they just throw money at folks who earn less than $160K a year. </p>
<p>Jiminy. </p>
<p>Well, you get my drift. </p>
<p>So, since it appears there is no point in reasoning, I’ll just stick around to fend off the insults and have a little fun.</p>
<p>All of this from a snowstorm post. Who knew? lol</p>
<p>LMAO</p>
<p>Posts by Curm…Priceless!</p>
<p>OH Cur!! Belated MEGA congrats your D!! I’m so glad wild horses or huge snowstorms could not get stop her from finally getting to New Haven! Yale knew she was a good catch when they saw her !</p>
<p>Thanks mpm, she is still pretty excited. Of course, right now she’s excited on a beach in Florida. But she’s still excited. I scanned her official acceptance letter to her a couple of hours ago.</p>
<p>How does one act excited on a beach in FL unless sharks are sighted? :)</p>
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Well, since she’s there spending her Yale UG money, she’s probably lighting 100 dollar bills and flinging them to the heavens. As long as she doing it with her top on, it appears it fits with our family’s values. ;)</p>
<p>ok, post #191 is too, too funny </p>
<p>“SAT is God”…</p>
<p>Gosh, all because I made some silly comment …</p>
<p>I feel quite powerful. ;)</p>
<p>So that’s who we can blame this on. Sheesh. ;)</p>
<p>A brief recap for the latecomers:</p>
<p>Yale Med interview invite>> Snow>> Oh no!!>>Re-schedule>> Snow>>Oh no!!>>Yale med interview>>Hey. This place ain’t half bad.>>>Yale Med acceptance>>Yeah, baby!>> kelsmom’s post>> Rhodes sucks</p>
<p>I’ve been tempted to open a new thread to congratulate mudgette, but this is a classic CC thread going from snow to congratulations to college-bashing and inciting Ivy envy. :(</p>
<p>Talking of snow, S clearly made the wrong decision when he turned down the “goodest college,” aka Stanford, on account of no snow for “not-even-in-the top-15, sucky college,” aka Harvard. Oh well, nothing can be done (or re-done). He’ll survive the less than optimal college experience. 
This year, however, he’s had more snow in one single winter than probably during his entire 21 years.</p>