Practical Advice For Those Who Got Into Choate...

<p>I’m a 4-year senior, so I can tell you a few things you may wanna know about the school. Knowledge is power. This is all my experience, but many people I’ve talked to would agree.</p>

<p>-Choate is intensely competitive academically, albeit in an overt way. Overestimate everybody, always be on your guard. I’m serious. You wanna do well, get into the Ivy League (the ultimate goal, no?) or someplace similar, most every move you make needs to be calculated.</p>

<p>-The Choate student body is not particularly attractive personality-wise. Prepare for the not-very-smart New Englanders, the very-smart-but-psychologically-deficient New Englanders, a mix of Asians and Blacks with a few Latinos, and a fairly random mix of kids from west of Pennsylvania. The few decent kids there are come from around the country (and world) though, no specific region. The New Englanders rule this school, and although they’re very socially well-adjusted, good luck fitting in unless you’re amongst the already-initiated. Racial segregation is the norm; blacks with blacks, whites with whites, asians with asians with other groups kind-of bouncing around. Much racial tension exists between the groups, and if you’re uncomfortable with casual use of racial epithets (at least if you’re white), consider this. You’re gonna be very dissapointed with the student body, I can guarantee; just find the few good kids.</p>

<p>-The girls are very attractive (physically), but in a gaudy way. Intersex relations are just another typically bizzare soap opera that students love to obsess over (have fun spending hours every night poring over the facebook and deriding those within). Choate has an incredibly fierce social climate (relegated almost exclusively to whites), and if you wanna keep up, be ready to devote a lot of your time to the endeavor.</p>

<p>-In terms of academics, pretty much every department minus the language one is strong. History, English, more advanced math courses, Economics, all sciences and other humanities are full of incredibly intelligent, competent teachers with varying levels of devotion and expectations. Language is weak in my experience, but you’ll probably have to take it, in which case I reccomend either Chinese (good) or Japanese (better). If anybody wants, I’ll give you specific teacher reccomendations come June. You can’t pick, but if you draw a bad one its pretty easy to switch out in the first couple of weeks. This can make a lot of difference, and you shouldn’t be hesitant about switching in and out of classes. Also, don’t over-commit yourself to a heavy courseload if your a new freshman or sophmore. Even the most intelligent get burned this way.</p>

<p>-I STRONGLY reccomend you play as many interscholastic sports as you can. However, I would advise against Football, simply because we are terrible and its terribly time-consuming. Fall Cross Country or Crew are the best things to do (Crew runs in the Spring as well). You’ll probably need to try out for Crew in the Fall though, so hit the ergometer and see how you fare initially. Probably best not to bother with Basketball unless you think you can make JV/Varsity. Baseball is also another one to think strongly about. Lacrosse is good provided you have some experience. Hockey is good if you love the whole hockey “thing”. Wrestling is garbage, but if that’s your thing, go ahead. Swimming is quite good (I’m told), and intense, so be prepared. Avoid intramurals, avoid other things, at least until you’ve been here awhile. Don’t fall in with the Arts crowd, they’re not particularly interesting and you may be segregating yourself. Unless of course you’re a girl and that’s all you want to do.</p>

<p>My advice?</p>

<p>Go to Andover, Lawrenceville, Taft, Hotchkiss, St. Paul’s (the one I hold the highest regard for based on the words of others), Milton, maybe Groton over Choate. Go to Choate over Exeter (place creeps me out), Deerfield and all schools below that level.</p>

<p>IF you should decide to go to Choate:</p>

<p>If you wanna fit in socially, walk around your dorm and meet people, go to the Dining Hall frequently etc. as soon as you get there. Be glib, very, very glib. If you just wanna exist and focus on your studies, keep your head down somewhat (still go to the Dining Hall frequently) and keep an eye out for the normal kids, they are around. If tobacco use if something that bothers you, deal with it, because it’s heavy (guys dip like its going out of style and a pretty large percentage of both sexes smoke). Alcohol use is moderate, easy to avoid if you want to. Drug use is pretty minimal, doubt you’ll have much trouble unless you’re looking for it. They are strict with drugs though, one strike and you’re out, and its a bad way to go. Academically, the keys are good homework and class participation. Just do your assignments every night, come up with a few good questions (if applicable) and ask them in class. Take notes and be organized. Don’t do this, and you’ll never succeede. I strongly reccomend going to the library when you can. Be VERY AWARE of how strict Choate is about “academic integrity”. Too many otherwise-solid kids get nailed for this, and you don’t wanna become one of them. Get Extra Help when you need it from the teachers who seem willing to give it. Get in a few solid extracurriculars (newspaper is the most reliable), most are bogus though. REQUEST A SINGLE! Having a roommate is nothing but a burden at first, he/she won’t help you fit in and may end up a major nuisance.</p>

<p>The Rule of Thumb:</p>

<p>Don’t believe what other people say, and always look out for #1. This is a cutthroat environment, not really a caring one in any way. But you have the potential to do very well if you always keep your eye on the prize.</p>

<p>Any more questions, let me know. This probably wasn’t that helpful to anyone, but I still figured I’d tell you these things. They definetely would’ve helped me coming in…</p>

<p>thanks for the advice. I’m definitely choosing Lawrenceville over Choate now.</p>

<p>So tell us SoundAdvice…did you enjoy any part of your 4 years. Are you in at the Ivy?(the ultimate goal) what schools did you turn down to have this glorious 4 years at CRH? Fill us in…what geographic region did you matriculate from and oh…are you an only child?</p>

<p>Did I enjoy? Sometimes yes, mostly not. Spring Term is usually pretty decent. It’s not really a very enjoyable experience for anyone, at least in the present. I’d do it again though. You do have some interesting times, and it prepares you well.</p>

<p>Did I get into an Ivy? Don’t know yet. We shall see. I’m doubting it though. Looking at some decent LACs and state schools. Hoping to maybe transfer.</p>

<p>Geographic region? South.</p>

<p>Only child? Nope.</p>

<p>You can take or leave my advice here, and I’m sure many will disagree with me. But I’ve seen a lot here, a fair amount of I didn’t expect and was actually quite shocked by. It runs the gamut, that’s for sure.</p>

<p>Btw, turned down Taft and Woodberry Forest to go to Choate. My getting in was a bit of a fluke.</p>

<p>sounsadvice:</p>

<p>Your advice is pretty right on the mark. This environment can be found at any prep school. Good luck to you in your college search. </p>

<p>Kids have fun at prep school. Good luck :)</p>

<p>You’re exactly right. I think, to a certain extent, this is applicable to all schools. The main difference is probably community; Choate is big, has boarding and day students, is relatively diverse (in all respects), and as a result doesn’t really have that close-knit feel you’re gonna find at other schools. You’ll have fun to be sure, and you’re going to meet some very cool people, but the school admin. doesn’t care about the individual too much, and you’re gonna be on your own a lot. At the same time, drifting too far will merit attention, but maybe not the best kind.</p>

<p>As a side note, I think the make-up of the school is changing pretty dramatically; my class seems to be considered one of the weaker ones in quite some time, as is the '06 group. Newer students, particularly the Freshman, seem generally more subdued and probably significantly better students, although maybe not as much fun (and many look like they belong in 5th grade). Something to keep in mind.</p>

<p>I think Andover, Exeter and Choate are very big. But mostly you become close to kids who are living with you in your dorm. If you are very busy with school academic and taking full advantage of all the clubs and other activities, you have not much time except on weekends to socialize with other kids. In prep school you will find some kids who are very good in a particular field and will find some very intelligent kids as well some very rich kids too. Prep school is very good place for a kid who is offered everything what they wants to pursue their goals.</p>

<p>Dorms are key. You don’t have a choice coming in, but choose your dorm carefully when you do. It makes a huge difference.</p>

<p>Ask your teachers for help if you need any academic or personal help. They will help you in every way possible. And kids from south and west, please bring warm clothes and a very good snow boots in winter. It is not very pleasing to walk around school in cold winter and having no access to a car.</p>

<p>This thread is a godsend, and let me be it to thank you SoundAdvice for the candor of your observations.</p>

<p>Sound, I’ve spoken on AIM to several prep school attendants (mostly Exeter, Andover…big three), and their attitudes can reflect those you’ve described above. You’ve inferred many times: Knowledge, and social standing is power. I, as well as other people here, are on the verge of choosing a school to attend for the following year. As such, remaining at my high school is one of the choices I’ve been contemplating. I certainly would NOT want to go to a school where true passion is traded for never resting competition; that’s just not who I am. Tell me, does sincerity, passions, caring even exist at these schools? I know you’re the expert here on Choate, but what else can you dig from the other frequent boarding schools (esp. Exeter, Andover, St. Pauls). </p>

<p>I really would like to speak with you over AIM. If that’s OK. Once again, thanks for your honesty. The board needs people like you.</p>

<p>Prep school is not about intense competition. If someone wants to go to prep school to go to HYPMS then do not do it. However, if you want to know your passion and pursue it then it is the best environment. And if someone is afraid of competition then please do not go to prep school or even Ivy College.</p>

<p>I also go to Choate and I’ll back up SoundAdvice’s statements fully. If you go to this school prepare to be disillusioned terribly. Maybe it’s the same at any of these “Prestige 7” schools, but there’s a lot the administration doesn’t want you to know. For instance, there’s “Big Brother” figure on campus, basically an IT guy that can read all your emails, instant messages, etc. and incriminate you for rule violations based on your supposedly secret conversations. I’ve seen kids get kicked out for this “Patriot Act” evidence. Also, the “culture of caring” and diversity is a load of bs. There’s prevalent ethnic tension. If you are considering Choate, I advise you to visit the Dining Hall on a weeknight and look in the back section. You’ll see the rich white kids together, the black kids together, the nerds, etc.</p>

<p>Also, it is a highly competitive environment. Even though the school cracks down on plagiarism, cheating, etc., I would say at least 75% of the kids bend the rules in some way. </p>

<p>So I guess the bottom line is: If you are prepared to be mostly unhappy and cynical for 4 years of your life to get into an Ivy, go for it. But if ur not, reconsider your options.</p>

<p>Could you guys elaborate on what you hear about St. Paul’s and Exeter in relation to the above?</p>

<p>Wow- S’s school does not sound anything like what you are describing at Choate. He is at one of the MAPL league schools, and could not be happier. The kids are close, the faculty is nurturing and very involved with the kids outside of school and for the most part, the kids all get along. The academics are wonderful, athletics are great and S is thriving. Hope you all can find a place like this.</p>

<p>i’m a friend of puck87 and an underclassmen at choate (i.e. not a senior). although some of what soundadvice has to say is true…its very exaggerated. i am not in the elite new-englander crowd or anything, nor am i part of the “artsy” crowd, however i do have good friends in both groups. most choate students are very friendly once you get to know them, and if you’re a friendly, open person you’re going to find some great friends at choate and enjoy yourself thoroughly. personally, your going to find the stereotypical stuck up new englanders at any prep school, in most cases worse than choate. i think choate has one of the most friendliest groups of people, and i don’t think anyone should completely rule out choate just because of one persons opinion </p>

<p>in terms of competitiveness, it can get competitive, but at least at my old school i found a lot more people peaking over to find what grade i got than i do at choate…the only time that i think choate does get really competitive is with the college search, everyone wants to know where your applying, if your going early, etc etc. </p>

<p>i don’t really remember what else soundadvice said, but i know someone mentioned the “big brother” thing…but its not as though someone far away reads through every single e-mail, it just means that choate has the capability of reading them, just as ANY OTHER SCHOOl does…and i’ve never heard of anyone actually getting in trouble for that</p>

<p>anyway, in sum, there are nights at choate when i’m like “wow, this place sucks” but generally i’ve found that i’ve made some amazing friends there and gotten a great education…so, i would recommend choate</p>

<p>SoundAdvice, why did you even choose to go to Choate and boarding school in the first place?</p>

<p>this is very interesting…my s is looking at choate and taft…can anyone offer anything on taft?? also there was a mention of a milton type incident at choate last year?? can anyone shed light on this?</p>

<p>i dont know guys. what makes you think that choate is really worse than any other school? There are always going to be people hate hate or dislike things. perhaps schools are somewhat better than the other, but it wouldn’t be that drastic. Im personally glad im going to westover because it’s not nearly as cut throat as exeter and choate. but i might be saying that because they sent me athin envelope.atleast choate did.</p>

<p>I am a underclassmen at Choate, I personally have to disagree at almost every point. First off, the majority of my friends are African-American and asians although I am white from NYC. I know almost all of the freshmen and I tend to see tables with every race. Obviously, I see people of all races sitting with their friends or whatever table has people. After the first couple days of school I was happily set in. Anyone is open and friendly can easily get to know lots of people.I agree that Choate is academically competitive, but find me a prep school that isn’t. </p>

<p>As for faculty, I am very close with 4 of my 5 teachers and often have sit-down discussions. I am also close with all of the advisors who live in my dorm. </p>

<p>The Choate Football team was strong this year (6-2), and so was the Wrestling squad. </p>

<p>The girls range, there are a few stuck-ups, but most are normal. At every school you go to you will find some a few snobby preps and gossips who talk about other people. Choate has a broad range of people so no matter what you’re personality you are will find people you know.</p>

<p>I chose Choate over Lawrencville and currently could not be happier. No matter where you go you will find unsatisfied students.</p>

<p>A question to the author: If you were so miserable, why didn’t you attempt to transfer out?</p>