@fretfulmother that story is absolutely appalling. The soon-to-be-Stanford swimmer would indeed have been a nice buddy for Brock. Perhaps he is filling the special admissions slot reserved for the “Team Jerk” that Turner vacated?
@GnocchiB @Waiting2exhale - I totally agree. I just looked him up - it appears that the incident was in early spring, and the only sign of it is that of his main two events, one meet is missing.
@GnocchiB That, I’m not sure of. I’m only a student, and as we’ve seen, the administration isn’t exactly transparent. As for the E-Book fiasco, I’m sure the administration knew of this. When I referred to Exonians, I meant myself and other current students as well as alums.
“assume the Wheaton College referred to is the religious one in the Midwest, not the one in Massachusetts.”
Akmom - I AM referring to the religious one in IL, that I live 15 minutes away from. I don’t know why one would think it would be less prone to bad guys. It’s just as open to outsiders as any suburban campus.
Good point about Wheaton. I was referring to the religious college in Illinois. I think the students agree to a pledge to avoid pre-marital sex. So my statement was really directed at the fellow-student issue. But non-students pass through most campuses, so the point that it’s not totally safe is well taken.
@QuantMech - don’t you think that even a person who agrees to an abstinence pledge, could be a potential rapist? I certainly do. Rape is about power and not about sexuality, right?
Also true, fretfulmother. I agree. The incidence of rape may be a little lower at Wheaton, however.
The PEA student who has been arrested reportedly was accepted by Penn. Since colleges are being encouraged to accept students who have been arrested vs. convicted, does anyone know if his college plans have changed? Has college withdrawn his acceptance?
He’s being charged with a misdemeanor and so far he’s only been charged. There is absolutely every possibility that if it makes it to trial (if it’s not dismissed) that the trial would be after he started at Penn and there’s a high probability that he’d get probation if he was found guilty or pleads. I’m not entirely sure how colleges treat misdemeanors…I don’t recall colleges even asking about misdemeanors on their applications, felonies but not misdemeanors…but it’s been quite a few years since I had a kid applying to college. Lots of kids go to college with misdemeanors like minor in possession or disorderly conduct and such so I’m thinking it won’t change his college plans. Hanna might know if she’s reading along.
“Since colleges are being encouraged to accept students who have been arrested vs. convicted”
My guess is colleges would still use their discretion in deciding. I would think they would consider a sexual assault charge very differently than a marijuana possession charge, for example. The college has an obligation to protect its community.
Also true, fretfulmother. I agree. The incidence of rape may be a little lower at Wheaton, however.
^^^ Sort of surprised that Penn issued a statement naming the student. IIRC Harvard was mum on Owen Labrie’s status.
Perhaps they wanted to make their position clear to potential applicants. They couched it as a response to the news of the charges being filed against him, so the original article did the initial identification for them.
Interesting that Penn felt they had to put out press comments, but in this chaotic environment it is probably the safest thing to do (and something I would recommend) as a communication strategy so they don’t get a bunch of crazies calling the office of the president. It leaves them off the hook in terms of having to take action at this point in time and protects them while they talk to their lawyers about how to move forward if A, B or C happens.
These schools are going to cover their behinds. They do not want the negative publicity and they have more qualified applicants than they know what to do with. Looks like Murdoch et al are doing the same thing. The Daily Intelligencer is reporting that Ailes is being shown the door. That’s another likely litigation depending on how the testimony pans out in that case.
I don’t see why any particular schools–MIT, CalTech, and Wheaton would be particularly less likely to be places where a female student would need pepper spray. When we visited CalTech, D was rather dismayed by some of the graffiti that seemed overtly sexist at that U. My kids didn’t carry or use pepper spray–as students or since, ho they attended USoCal which has more than its share of violence on and near campus.
I agree that to me, rape has always been a crime of power and aggression, not love or sexuality.
I agree, there are bad seeds among nerdy boys too. And the gaming culture is known for being misogynist.
Sorry for the possibly inaccurate (benign) nerd stereotyping. I agree that the gaming culture is quite misogynist. Yet I do personally think that one of my students would be safer going out with a science major than with some other arbitrary major, based on experience. Perhaps I have sampled a different nerd-subset from others.
I agree that it’s a crime of power and aggression.
Unfortunately, the university statistics would not give the full picture on this, because they only cover reported rapes, and the incidence of non-report could vary in an unpredictable way from campus to campus.
As would individual definitions of rape…