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<p>…who is a Stanford man. We run high-tech companies and not so high-tech universities. ;)</p>
<p>professor, that is the nature of iamtbh…attacking everyone in sight who doesn’t say something good about Stanford…</p>
<p>It isassumed that he is a 19 year old Menolo Park Junior College student that spends his days at the libraries at Stanford wishing what would have happened had he gotten in…</p>
<p>Oddly enough, he has denied being from Asia previously, but here he is attempting to get credibility as an Asian student.</p>
<p>The one thing that we know about him is that he got rejected from HYPSM and resents this tremendously.,…</p>
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<p>Okay, JA12. You got me. I knew I couldn’t outsmart a Princetonian. I admit it; I am a junior college student. (I tell people I go to the “Junior University” and they naturally assume I mean Leland Stanford Jr. University. Haha.) This is why I took umbrage at Prof101’s derogatory comments about community college students. Because I am one. Yes, I was rejected by HYPSM. Not only that, but also Devry didn’t accept me. And to add insult to injury, the University of Phoenix waitlisted me. I couldn’t even get into an online university. So that’s why I am currently attending a community college. I know I will never be as rich and successful and smart as a HYP grad like you. You must be independently wealthy and set for a life of leisure, if you can write 1200+ posts in three months. I only have 200+…</p>
<p>Hi, you said you attended Princeton as an undergraduate in chemical engineering, and MBA at Stanford. I noticed you spent lots of time praising Princeton and rarely talked about Stanford. Did you like Princeton so much more than you like Stanford? Just being curious.</p>
<p>I think the order should be like</p>
<p>1) Harvard
2) Stanford, Berkeley, MIT
5) Caltech, Princeton
7) Yale
8) Columbia, Chicago, Cornell.</p>
<p>These 10 universities, along with Cambridge and Oxford, are the most famous world class universities.</p>
<p>Princeton is actually more prestigious in many Chinese communities than most of you have been letting on. I would know because I’m from a Chinese metropolis myself.</p>
<p>@datalook,
I agree with your rank, but I’d put Yale at #5 along with Princeton, delete Caltech and add Upenn & Duke to #8. Although I am a science & engineering guy and Caltech is one of my dream schools, only few ppl outside this particular area have heard about Caltech. It dose not have a well-rounded graduate school or a top-tier B-school.</p>
<p>@seta: How do you perceive the quality of Chinese students at the top 3 institutions (Tsinghua, Peking, Zhejiang) with those at the top tier American institutions (Harvard->Duke), especially at the graduate level?</p>
<p>datalook the experience at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business was also incedible, equally as great as the Princeton ChE. undergraduate experience, but most of the talk on these message boards has been for undergraduate school.</p>
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<p>It’s sad, but I have to say that, at top 10 institutions in China, almost all of the top UG students (> 95%) continue their graduate study in US. The quality of Chinese students at the top graduate schools in China is much weaker than those at the top 50 American institutions (yes, it’s “top 50”, let along HYPSM).</p>
<p>Actually, this is one of the reasons why ppl in China normally look down universities from other countries, like UK, Canada, Australia, etc,… The logic is simple: the best students only go to the best universities in the world.</p>
<p>**@seta: **</p>
<p>I don’t think the quality of students in China is as dire as you put out. For China’s sake, I certainly hope so. Albeit, I don’t have much experience the Chinese education system past elementary school. I grew up competing with my cousin in elementary school in rural China. He had always done a little better than me academically. He ended up getting an UG engineering degree and grad business degree from top 3 in China. I, on the hand, did UG engineering in your tier 4, and MBA in tier 3. I’ve always felt that the quality of US students (at least for book learning) lagged behind Chinese students of my memory. I find the difference is between US and Chinese pedagogy is that US focus on well-rounded learning and self-driven experimentation/initiative/creativity, whereas China (at least, it used to) focused on book learning. This may be partly due to the fact that Chinese institutions do not have the resources/infrastructure for cutting edge research.</p>
<p>For UG education (less research focused), Chinese education/students at top 3 is probably better than US UG. For one, I feel that Chinese students choose UG based solely on ranking, and UG select students solely based on scores (like law schools). In America, students choose school on based on a variety factors – finance, location, college life, etc. Top students at top publics often turned down much “better” privates or never bother applying. For UG, it seems that American talents are spread across a range of schools, whereas Chinese talents are concentrated at the elite schools. Also for UG, since most of the students are domestic; the level of competition is lower in the US because of the smaller population.</p>
<p>For graduate schools, the picture changes a bit, since we are competing against the best from all over the world. Also, ranking matters more for graduate programs, so talent becomes more concentrate. Although there’s brain drain in China, but I would think at least some opt to go to elite Chinese schools (more than 5%). For one, Chinese students are at a disadvantaged for entrance exams since English isn’t their first language, also the job opportunities for top 3 graduates are good. So there may not be as big of an incentive to attend US school these days. </p>
<p>I went to a top 10 engineering school and the quality of grad students weren’t all that impressive (most of my academic peers ended up at Stanford). The quality of students at a top 50 school in US drops dramatically. I find it hard to believe that students at top 10 in China would be lower. Chinese may not have the resources to realize their full potential, but I think the potential is definitely there.</p>
<p>Although I managed to get into one of your tier 3 schools in the US (Columbia, Princeton, Cornell, Chicago, Upenn, Caltech, Duke), I doubt I would have gotten in the top 3 Chinese UG, if I had grown up in China.</p>
<p>“Although I managed to get into one of your tier 3 schools in the US (Columbia, Princeton, Cornell, Chicago, Upenn, Caltech, Duke), I doubt I would have gotten in the top 3 Chinese UG, if I had grown up in China.”</p>
<p>I’m shaking my head reading some of these comments…</p>
<p>liu02bhs,</p>
<p>There is no such thing called “top 3” in China. It is “top 2” with a bunch of schools vying for the No. 3. position. Tsinghua and Peking are strong across board, while other schools are far behind with a few excellent programs. These No 3 contenders include USTC (Hefei), Fudan (Shanghai), Jiaotong (Shanghai), Nanjing, with Zhejiang being an underdog even in this group. </p>
<p>seta knows something about Chinese students and university, but a lot of her/his information is not accurate, and it is completely baseless to say “at top 10 institutions in China, almost all of the top UG students (> 95%) continue their graduate study in US.”</p>
<p>In East Asia (China, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea) and Southeast Asia (The Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Vietnam and Thailand), I believe it’s like this:</p>
<p>Prestige = highly respected + popular</p>
<p>Harvard
(Oxford)
Stanford, MIT, UC Berkeley, (Cambridge)
Princeton, Yale
Caltech, UPenn, Columbia, Michigan, Duke, Chicago, Cornell
UCLA, NYU</p>
<p>I would just like to point out that people in the United States can’t agree on what the most prestigious schools in the U.S. are. Since these discussions are mostly based on personal perceptions, experience, and anecdotes, as opposed to statistics (which themselves may be problematic), you should take any discussion like this with a large grain of salt.</p>
<p>Prestige threads are for prestige hounds and by nature they are very superficial.</p>
<p>Colleges today, based on direct information I received from admissions officers I know, want a well rounded student, who not only brings good stats to a school, but a sense of community, a drive to make the world and the university a better place for everyone, and someone who will someday give back to the university with money, or if not money, with other volunteer efforts.</p>
<p>They don’t want a numbers nerd or science geek who will spend four years in a cubicle in the library, being surly and only talking to a limited number of people who look like them, speaking in a language nobody else understands, is arrogant and belligerent when challenged in class or in outside discussions, is abnormally obsessed with prestige and who in all likelihoood will go back to their home country, having taking everything out of the experience they could and offering nothing in return. (This applies to all students by the way, and so if it relates to a natural born american citizen, then simply change return to home country to return to home region or applying for a research job at some Ivy league school where they can continue to be unsociable, rude and giving nothing to the community except their work product in a laboratory.)</p>
<p>That is not to say scientific research is wrong or evil or selfish or not community oriented. Much scientific and medical research is for the common good of mankind in finding cures for disease and other scientific breakthroughs to advance the standard of living for everyone. I am talking about PERSONALITY here, not work product. </p>
<p>They will admit people who fit the geek model. But they are more interested in admitting people who will make a big impact on campus in a communal and social manner, giving back to community, and giving back to the university.</p>
<p>ghostbuster, the content of your post seems tangential to what is being discussed. What is your point?</p>
<p>Ghost buster, with all due respect, your post has nothing to do with the topic. Im merely asking about how Chinese perceptions of the American education system differ from US perceptions.</p>
<p>im not asian. im not a science major. im not at all someone who does nothing but, study.</p>
<p>im a humanties major at a liberal at a liberal arts school who wants to join the peace corps. im merely asking a question that im curious about.</p>
<p>the schools i chose (top publics, top privates, an ivy, some east coast, some midwest and some west coast) was very deliberate on my part to see china’s perceptions of the education in several US regions and china’s perception of public vs private schools.</p>
<p>with that said, i agree with a lot of what your saying. keep in mind however that everyone is different and some people simply by nature of theirgenetics will lack extravertidness and/or social skills and be uncomfortable getting involved in social events. for these people. working hard, and doing research may be the best way for them to give back to the school</p>
<p>Why is Yale so low?</p>