Princeton/MIT-like schools with merit scholarships?

I’m a rising Pennsylvania senior who will probably qualify for zero need-based financial aid anywhere. I’m looking for good schools with merit scholarship opportunities. In particular, I want schools where I would have a good chance of earning a lot of money – I’d like to aim for a net cost of less than $35000/year.

I’m planning to major in math and possibly computer science or physics. I want the option of going to graduate school (so undergraduate research is a big plus). But I also don’t want to be surrounded by only STEM majors.

Anything east of, say, Chicago is optimal (and the closer to the East Coast the better), but if there are some great places further west, I’d be open to checking them out as well. My top choices, if money were no object, are Princeton and MIT. I like the location, atmosphere, extracurricular opportunities, philosophies, academic rigor/reputation, etc., of both of these schools.

I have a 3.91 unweighted GPA (although I have straight A’s with an average grade of 98/100; I’m not sure how my school computes GPA) and take some courses via dual enrollment at local universities (one is an Ivy). My school has no APs. I have a 35 ACT composite, an 800 on the SAT II Math 2, and no National Merit status.

Does anyone on here have thoughts on schools I should check out?

Rule out all the Ivies, almost all the rest of the top schools will give merit including UChicago, WUSTL, Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt, etc. the further down the rankings the easier it will be to get merit aid, and you will need to apply EA/RD to compare merit offers.

Can you think of any schools where I, given my stats, would have a great chance of getting a lot of money? If I got a full ride somewhere, that might be optimal.

Not a full ride, but I would look at Union.

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/2006094-2017-automatic-full-tuition-full-ride-scholarships.html#latest

http://competitivefulltuition.yolasite.com/

@CU123 Stanford does not give merit aid.

If you are looking for something like full tuition merit you will need to look at schools ranked below 30 by USNews, for example Boston University.

First, I would look at Penn State and apply for Schreyer, Pitt and its honors college, Temple and its honors college, tOSU, MiamiOH, UVermont, UDel, UT Dallas, UAlabama. Penn State Schreyer is the one to beat (as it’s one of the country’s best honors colleges, but also very hard to get into so you must have other choices).
Next, private universities: Case Western may offer enough to be within budget, as might Northeastern.
For math, seconding Union, adding St Olaf (SHOW INTEREST right now: fill out request info form today, email follow up questions to admissions); Physics: Lawrence (excellent for physics, same as above), Reed (read the entry in Fiske though as it’s not an environment for everybody).

OP, you’re in a difficult spot. It sounds like you come from a family that has some means. You describe yourself as someone who will not qualify for need-based aid. This means that you will be full pay or close to it.

If you’re family’s limit/willingness to pay is 35K, then you have options, but none of them will be (though I’m open to hear others correct me) Princeton/MIT-level. Your first option is to target LACs (liberal arts colleges) that offer merit aid. The elite LACs are out of the running (Amherst, Williams, Bowdoin, Dickinson, Swarthmore, Vassar, and on, and on, and on) because they will not offer merit, or if they do, the amount will not be in the range you are looking for. For instance, Skidmore offers a few (or maybe just one?) merit award, but nothing that would lower the sticker price of the college to 35K. You can Google to find a list of the northeast schools (a combination of private universities and LACs) that do not offer merit award at all. Again, even the LACs that do (St. Lawrence, Wheaton, maybe Washington and Lee) are not going to offer the levels of merit award that you are looking for. Plus, they do not meet your “perceived” quality level.

Families in your situation do have threads here on CC, so search around. I remember one thread where a parent was in your exact situation. She wanted to send her child (a son, I believe) to a high quality school but had a firm cap of 35K per year. Her solution–and this is a common strategy–was to target non-elite schools (though still highly regarded, even prestigious in their own ways) outside the NE. But this means being open to schools in the Midwest and South. Pennsylvania (your state) is a mixture, as it contains some elite colleges where merit money is either not given (Swarthmore, Haverford) or will not be game-changing, but it also has colleges that do offer substantial merit, essentially to lower the sticker price of the college and attract students like you (Allegheny, Ursinus, Juniata). The CTCL schools (the three I just listed are CTCL schools) are popular options, as they all (as far as I know) offer merit money. These also include schools like Beloit, Earlham, Rhodes, Knox, Southwestern, Lawrence, Kalamazoo. Schools outside the NE are often already 10K less than the elite schools out east, and if the student can earn 20K in merit, that essentially makes the college 30K cheaper than the more expensive schools in the NE.

But I’m sure you see the bind that you’re in. These schools, though excellent (note: I am biased, as I attended a midwestern CTCL LAC), do not have the same name recognition as the elite LACs, let alone the large, prestigious private universities (Ivies, Stanford, Chicago, NW, Vandy, Wash U). One has to sort of lose the prestige-obsession and be confident that there are many fine colleges–that will offer merit money–that are well-regarded and are top-notch but are often overlooked or fly under the radar. The other challenge is that you’ll have to be a very strong student (though your basic stats look excellent) to earn significant merit. Significant merit might be half-tuition. My alma mater offers five full-tuition scholarships to incoming students, but five is a small number, of course. Those five students who receive full tuition (reducing the cost of the college to room and board and fees will essentially be very high-achieving scholars. Not all of these schools will have full-tuition scholarships, and even if they do, you cannot assume that you’ll receive one.

The other option is to target in-state public schools. You’re from PA, so you might see what sorts of financial numbers Penn State generates. With this country’s current economic challenges, combined with many state budget cuts affecting education, public universities do not always have a lot of money to throw around. Of course, Penn State, a fine school, does not meet your Princeton/MIT-desired level. I am sorry to say, unless someone else here posts a different route, that such schools will not be possible, not at 35K per year for someone whose family will be full pay (or close to it).

Oh, and one more thing. You need to start searching schools’ websites and seeing what sorts of merit awards that they offer. Someone mentioned Case Western, which would certainly be a good choice given your STEM-based interests, but you need to find out what sorts of scholarships are available. Many merit awards will be based on academic achievement (you seem pretty solid here), but there are some that are based on geography, background, and other non-academic qualities (though these are rarer, and the awards typically smaller, more supplemental). In other words, you need to literally find those schools that offer merit aid in the amounts you need to lower the school’s sticker price to 35K. I’m just not sure if A) Case offers these amounts of merit aid to full-pay or close-to-full-pay families, and, B) do you consider Case Western (or the other fine schools that have been mentioned) as being below your Princeton/MIT desire? Truly, there aren’t that many schools on that level, perceived or actual. There are the other Ivies, plus near-Ivies like Stanford, Chicago, Northwestern, and Vanderbilt. There are the elite LACs like Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore. There are the STEM standouts like CalTech and Harvey Mudd. I worry that you’ll find that they all either don’t offer merit aid or won’t offer merit aid in the amounts needed to bring the sticker price down to 35K for a full pay family.

Finally, have you truly run your parents’ finances through online tools like net price calculators? Or have your parents done this (students often do not know the full details of their parents earnings, savings, investments, home equity)? I ask because sometimes students and their parents assume that they will not qualify for any need-based aid. They might not qualify for much, but even comfortable families sometimes qualify for some aid. Still, if your parents’ cap is 35K per year, that requires more than qualifying for “some aid.” For instance, Princeton, with a total cost of attendance of 67K, would require your family to have a demonstrated need of 32K).

You need to run net price calculators first for Ivy League schools to see if you qualify-you will be surprised but with low figure income, it is possible to receive some aid-depends on each school. Princeton is the most generous, Harvard is generous as well. How come you don’t have National Merit Status? Was the verbal part of PSAT low or you did not take it? Does not make sense since your ACT score is so high, I would expect your PSAT total score to qualify you.

Case Western! Last year their general merit scholarships topped out in the low 30s. There are also a very few full tuition awards by separate application. Had my daughter gone there, our costs would have been in the low 30s. Great school, it ended up being her second choice. STEM is strong there but it’s not just a tech school. There are no barriers to majors once you are accepted (for example, switching from CS to engineering).

Wash U is also worth a look - merit scholarships also by separate application - very tough to get but worth a shot.