Prospective Pre-med looking for medium-large schools [NY resident, class of 2028, 97/100 GPA, 1530 SAT]

Demographics

  • US citizen
  • State/Location of residency: New York
  • Type of high school: Public
  • Other special factors: none

Cost Constraints / Budget
Up to 50k a year (in line with NPC at selective universities), but I plan to go to med school so I am looking for merit aid as well. I’m taking the PSAT and hopefully will qualify for National Merit.

Intended Major(s): Neuroscience, biology or public health on a pre-med track

GPA, Rank, and Test Scores

  • Unweighted HS GPA: 97/100
  • Weighted HS GPA: none
  • Class Rank: none
  • ACT/SAT Scores: 1530 SAT (should I retake?)

List your HS coursework (not listing senior courses since i am a junior)

  • English: English 1 & 2 honors, AP Lang
  • Math: Algebra 2/Trig, Precalculus, AP Calc BC
  • Science: Biology, Chemistry, AP Physics 1 (5) , AP Chemistry (5), AP Biology
  • History and social studies: AP World (5), APUSH
  • Language other than English: French
  • Visual or performing arts: Orchestra
  • Other academic courses: AP Statistics

Awards:
National French exam gold medal
2nd place at local Brain Bee
Mock trial awards

Extracurriculars

  1. Co-President of Mock Trial (won counties last year)
  2. Editor of school newspaper
  3. Orchestra secretary
  4. Brief internship at a local university in oncology research
  5. Faith-based volunteering
  6. Volleyball

Schools
Buffalo, Binghamton, Stony Brook, UPitt, UMass Amherst (suggest more??)**
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I want to go to a school with at least 5,000 undergrads in a suburban or urban setting that has good school spirit and easy access to hospitals for volunteering/shadowing.

Thank you!!

Are you currently starting your junior year of high school?

Are you taking a SS class this year? I see 2 listed and am confused- are these from 9th and 10th grade? Can you please list your junior year classes?

You have some solid schools on your list so far. A few more to explore would be UDel, Rutgers (not sure about merit but you could try), the U of South Carolina, and Alabama.

You could try for the large merit awards at schools such as Emory and Vanderbilt, as long as you realize that these awards are unlikely (nothing personal). If the NPC is affordable you can apply if interested (these are reaches).

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Yup, that wasn’t clear sorry, I’m in the class of 2028.

Yes, I took pre-AP world in 9th grade, AP world in 10th grade, and I’m taking APUSH now.
My junior year classes: APUSH, AP Lang, AP Bio, AP Calc BC, AP Statistics, and Spanish.

Thanks for the suggestions! I’m looking for safeties and reaches so I will look into all of those schools.

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Are you switching from French to Spanish? Or do you mean that you speak two languages (French/English) and do not currently take French as a class?

I would never diss Stonybrook in the sciences-- punches WELL above its weight. So a terrific fit academically, and professors doing research in all sorts of cool areas that require a high degree of inter-disciplinary collaboration, excellent facilities, etc.

BUT- it is not known for “School Spirit” in the traditional sense! So maybe take a look at Albany (which has more of the rah rah than Stony)???

I don’t think it’s realistic to think you’ll get NMF but you never know. If you do, a school like Alabama (5 years tuition, 4 years housing, and an annual stipend) or UT Dallas or Tulsa or more because very low cost. Already, schools in the South, like Bama or smaller UA Huntsville - will be low 20s -and Bama has the McCullough pre medical scholars.

But if you want $50K and you want to stay in the NE, then you have lots of options - but U Pitt isn’t likely to hit - but could with merit. The UPitt of the South is UAB - strong in healthcare, medical nearby - and will crush the budget (like a 2 for 1 :). College of Charleston could be interesting if you were to qualify for the Charleston Fellows Program (reach - for the program, not the school). One of the recent grads is doing a Masters in Global Public Health at one of the top IR programs but is planning medical school. You have Medical U of South Carolina down the street - so it’s over budget but if you get Fellows, would be well under - you’d be a part of a small cohort and have a May away included and other mentorship, etc.

Short of that - in the NE, you’d have many schools from the SUNYs assured to hit cost, UMASS might, U Pitt less likely but not impossible to U Maine, URI, UNH would all hit and maybe UVM. If you ventured further, you could look at Ohio State, Purdue, UF, FSU, etc. U Del is likely to hit with merit - but not UMD (like Pitt, will be tough). You might like the size of an Albany vs. the bigger SUNYs.

Va Tech has shadowing on campus - but it doesn’t mean you’ll get it - and even if you are close at other places, doesn’t mean it will happen. Shadowing can happen when you are home. And while $50K is possible, it’s even more unlikely than UMD/Pitt.

You could look at schools like Syracuse (could hit), Ithaca (will hit with merit), some of the Jesuit/Catholic schools (think Creighton, Loyola MD, Loyola Chicago, U Dayton, Providence, Fairfield, Sacred Heart) although not sure of your religion - some may hit $50K but no assurance, American (may hit $50K).

A James Madison and App State will both hit. So will TCNJ.

Have you been out to colleges to visit? If not, have mom and dad take you to some - some large, some not large. Some in town like you like but maybe a UCONN type, not in town to see if there’s enough spirit. It’s easy to say on paper what you want but not so easy if you’ve not seen schools.

And talk to mom and dad about budget - it’s an 8 year journey. Is $50K the true # or lower is the # in reality.

And don’t worry about safety or reach. Find the right school. The one where you can excel academically (not shadowing, etc.) and can afford is the most important one. So ensure you have those few that will 100% hit budget - and if you have any SUNYs, you will. But if you want reaches - anyone from a Vandy/Emory/WUSTL all have full rides but Emory tougher - and the last two won’t have the spirit if it’s D1 you want (even Vandy doesn’t). You could try Rice and Tulane but they will be much tougher merit gets to get you under budget. Everyone loves Tulane - or SMU which has the Presidential (safety for in, high reach for Presidential). A Case Western is possible with merit - but not assured as would be the case with Rochester. School spirit at either? nah - although it depends what you mean by that.

You sound like you have a good structure set up - so best of luck to you.

Oh, you asked about SAT. I wouldn’t take again because you’re not seeking a no merit school. For your list, it’s very strong. But as you’re just a junior and have time, if you want to - sure. But it’s not necessary.

College of Charleston | Charleston Fellows

I realize it’s not urban or suburban. I would encourage you to apply even if don’t enroll and more so if you end up winning NMS (I think you will!)

Whether or not you should retake the SAT depends on the RW & M subscores.

Unless they have need, it’s not close to $50k - well unless you are pricing by semester.

Even at a NY contract college it’s over $70k.

Otherwise schools like BC, Wake, BU, Northeastern and more could have made the list.

And yep Cornell has spirit. But you can go to Ithaca for cheap and go see the games at Cornell.

Drs come from non name brand and brand name schools. The where you go likely matters little if at all. When I look at the residents from Vandy’s hospital, their undergrad schools span from Luther to Lipscomb, Miss State to K State and yes top schools too.

But unless med school isn’t cemented as a desire, OP would be wise to stick to budget.

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bartbass can explore & apply for external merit scholarships.

For $25k a year or more, renewable ? Ehhhh. Sure someone might get but in most cases, that would typically be an waste of time. Perhaps they have need. That’s the best way to get $$ at Cornell.

Most scholarships are small, local, and usually not renewable. The large ones often have a need or other component and are near impossible to get.

They could try if they wanted. At the same time, it’s a lot of work and they’d already have their applications to do.

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Does Cornell come in at your desired cost?

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At some colleges the amount of financial aid is reduced by external scholarships so the OP needs to research and understand each college’s policy.

The good news is that SUNYs do meet budget and do provide an excellent education.

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If NPCs are coming in at $50K, I’m thinking your SUNYs are very likely your best bets to save up for med school.

But you could take a run at Case Western and Rochester and see what happens (both have merit).

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I was thinking from another post - VCU has a med school on campus, which doesn’t assure shadowing - but if I recall, someone with your stats could be under $45K and as low as $41K. You have A10 sports.

Another one to hit $$ would be Temple.

Could you please explain this advice you are giving here. Are you suggesting this student should apply to Cornell even IF they don’t plan to enroll if accepted?

And what does NMF have to do with Cornell? The school doesn’t give merit awards at all, and the amount from NM is a drop in the bucket in comparison to costs and will not likely get this student to their price point (unless they already qualify for need based financial aid).

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And if they do external merit scholarships, they need to also understand what gaining these outside awards will do to any need based aid they might be receiving directly from the colleges. Colleges typically reduce need based awards because of outside scholarships…usually starting with the self help portions (work study and loans), but going into grants if the outside scholarships are larger.

Some colleges do allow stacking of outside awards and their own need based aid up to the cost of attendance…but that is not the norm.

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Having already scored a 1530 on the SAT, OP should definitely be in the ballpark for NMSF/NMF when they take the NMSQT test this fall. Even for a more competitive state like NY.

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Well there’s lots of options already. If it happens, then they have more options but likely need some geographic flexibility to take advantage.

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