Real number …
From table 2 of link http://www.cobbk12.org/news/2016/PSAT2015.pdf
There are 1,724,416 11th grader taking PSAT. The national average TS is 1009 - about 2/3 max of 1520
There were 1.6+ mils 11th grader taking PSAT before 2015. The avg SI was 1500+ something - about 2/3 max of 2400
Look like statistics and history repeat themselfelf. Interpret the data anyway you want. It may be fun or not at all
Nothing to forgive. I wish both of you guys nothing but the best.
You are a gentleman
@dallaspiano …I assume you are in Texas? What do you think about our state selection index numbers?
@Tgirlfriend, refer u to post #4125
@dallaspiano …thank you, I guess I missed your post from #4125.
What percentile would 226 make this year?
You got 226 out of 228? Hypothetical?
No. Real but not me.
Why? Aren’t many making perfect on SAT/ACT? Is PSAT more difficult to score perfect?
Then 226 out of 228 is 99.88%tile. That score is up North
2015: 1,724,416 juniors took the PSAT/NMSQT
2014: 1,595,486 juniors took the PSAT/NMSQT
Gain of: 128,930.
@mozart6023 - my apologies for offending your sensibilities. I meant no offense as I made my remark jokingly. Until about a week ago, I had no clue that one does not need to be commended (top 50K students) to be nominated for SF in any state. That was the obvious conclusion I had made - that you need to be in the top 50K students to be then selected to be a SF among 16K nominees. But @suzyQ7 reminded us all as to how it’s done (so thanks there!).
There are so many other factors that come in the way of equitable distribution of merit scholarships. Geographical, racial, economic, demographic, pick your favorite. Clearly NMSC has chosen to base it on geographical lines. You may disagree, but please review the table on pg 29 of the annual report here http://www.nationalmerit.org/annual_report.pdf. The problem appears to be one of poor participation rates. WY and WV combined contribute 0.7% (114 SF out of 16K) of NM SF pool, but has 0.3% (4.8K students took PSAT out of 1.47M) participation rate. Compare this with CA (or NJ, another high performing state) where appx 13% make the cut to SF (reflecting the ratio of their college bound students to national), and 12% (176K out of 1.47M) participation rate. You also can’t correlate educational spending per student; as CA ($9K per student) is far below the national average (appx $12K annually per student), compared to WY where per student spending is at $15.7K. WV appears to be average spending. See stats at http://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-education-spending-per-pupil-data.html
Just my 2 cents, please accept my apology again. I mean no disrespect to anyone.
@OHToCollege actually I could be wrong but I think the NMSC will make it so that there are no NM’s below the commended cut-off. It theoretically could happen if they held to the 50,000 as a “hard” number but they don’t. For instance in the 2013-14 National Merit Annual report you see that the total is 53,175 (36,948 commended and 16,227 SF’s). There’s obviously a little bit of juggling that goes on behind the scenes.
Speedy, where did you find the number of 2015 PSAT takers?
“actually I could be wrong but I think the NMSC will make it so that there are no NM’s below the commended cut-off.”
The semi-finalists come from the commended pool, so it would not be possible for commended SI to higher than SF SI. So you are not wrong.
@suzyQ7 it’s good to know that part of my brain is still working at this point! LOL :))
No, how can that be? Commended SI does not have to be lower than the state’s SF cutoff. Otherwise, WV would have no SF. That’s not about to change.
@likestowrite Here http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/19203713/#Comment_19203713
@Mamelot @OHToCollege @suzyQ7
Since no one here seems to be from WV, WY, ND, SD, this question doesn’t concern us much.
But it does look like SF cutoff can be lower than Commended.
One can become an NMSF without being Commended.