Quadruplets Admitted to Yale

[fuzzyfirebunny]

<p>XD Grazi… lots and lots of luck, imo. But if you have any questions (does this sound too presumptuous? it kinda does as I’m typing it. oh well) pm me and I’ll do what I can to help :P</p>

[mifune]

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Nope. ACT is better.

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<p>@Dbate: Although the ACT may have catered to your own individual strengths and enhanced your testing profile to a greater extent than the SAT, it is not the superior test. The SAT is a more reasoning-centered exam that attempts to approximate your academic aptitude to a greater degree than the ACT. It provides a university with a unique gauge of your potential that achievement-based statistics (grades, SATIIs, and AP exams) fail to calculate although a fair degree of correlation is indeed present. On the contrary, the ACT is more achievement-centered, similar in scope to grades, SATIIs, and AP exams, and merely provides a snapshot of one’s knowledge in a three-hour timeframe that can be deduced through the aforementioned measures. Moreover, the SAT is a more highly respected test because of its objective to test fundamental reasoning-based aptitudes. For instance, Princeton University and Harvard College “strongly prefer” the SAT over the ACT which is reflected in a 98%-99% demographic of admitted students who submitted their SAT Reasoning Test results. Yale University, however, appears to be more receptive of the submission of the ACT as a sufficient alternative, given that only 92% of the admitted applicants submit the SAT (Source: College Board Website).</p>

[Anonymous93]

<p>Already applied. We’ll just have to see. Stupid stupid long wait until decisions come out.</p>

[lapras]

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Hahaha, I’m a senior. Applying to bagillions of schools like all of you guys.
I wasn’t trying to be sarcastic, actually, which is surprising for me. I actually meant it. I’m sorry you’re not stellar. Like, that you don’t think you are. Okay, time to stop clarifying myself.

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<p>Shrinkrap is a parent. And thanks! :)</p>

[Anonymous93]

<p>mifune: Do you debate? You just cited your sources. Total debate move. And you speak like an Extemper, or worse, a Congress-er. Lots of words, accomplishing nothing other than sounding pleasing to the ear.</p>

<p>Also, I concur. The SAT is a better measurement of critical thinking ability, while the ACT merely entices students to memorize facts. And I say this with a 36 on the ACT and a 2390 on the SAT. I SHOULD be slanted towards the ACT, but I’m not. Ha, I’m such a debater. I just qualified my claims.</p>

[Anonymous93]

<p>Ah, lapras, I understand now. My bad. Why are you on the Yale forum now? I would still be celebrating. All 2 weeks after. :)</p>

[mifune]

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But if URM applicants are aware of AA and the boost it gives them, where is the incentive to catch up? I’ve personally heard URMs at my high school bragging about how they’ll “get in to any college they want,” which of course is not true, but nonetheless their bragging suggests that AA is making them complacent. Wouldn’t removing AA be the only way to narrow the achievement gap, even if it results lower URM representation in the short term?

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<p>Minorities at my own school maintain their own beliefs regarding their easier access to elite institutions, which is true given the higher acceptance rates for minority groups without collectively maintaining the standard upheld by many white and Asian applicants (Post #201). I firmly agree that the institution of AA collectively creates a degree of complacency from within minority groups to not perform at this meritocratic standard since the enticement to narrow the achievement gap is fundamentally absent. Rather, AA presently serves as a disincentive to taper the achievement inequality. An AA system that more fairly incorporates additional factors and is not limited to those comprised of strict categorizations, on the other hand, does not have the same effect of inducing a contentedness of achievement at a lower paradigm. With a more progressive and intricate criteria, substantiated contextual effects, not unverified assumptions of a disadvantageous background, are measured. Of course, many high-achieving minority students will provide their own counterexamples of themselves as the industrious, successful embodiment of the student who was apparently accepted through the basis of ethnicity. However, minority groups as a collective body must progressively take the initiative and full accountability for their own betterment. Any policy that maintains or counteracts the wrongs it seeks to correct is fundamentally flawed in regards to its sociological objectives. </p>

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It was not until after CC decisions came out that I realized how severe AA is sometimes.

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<p>Indeed.</p>

[fuzzyfirebunny]

<p>Bahahahaaaa. <em>scorn on all IEers and Congressers</em> LD and Policy all the way, baby! Anyone who can spread automatically has my respect :)</p>

<p>I agree; I think the SAT is more highly looked at at most colleges. It’s tougher to get 2300+ than a 34 - 36 on the ACT.</p>

[mifune]

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mifune: Do you debate? You just cited your sources. Total debate move. And you speak like an Extemper, or worse, a Congress-er. Lots of words, accomplishing nothing other than sounding pleasing to the ear.

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<p>No, I am not formally involved in debate through a school team or club. Those in Congress, contrary to popular belief, do achieve some things occasionally but I do understand the gibe at the characteristic stalemate associated with passing political measures.</p>

[mifune]

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While I acknowledge that the heyday of this thread has passed, I do not agree that discussion of affirmative action, an issue of significant societal implication, is petty or in vain. Nothing gets changed when no one talks about it. This thread garnered over 14,000 views.

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<p>I wholeheartedly agree. Although debating on an Internet forum over an issue is not at the same stage as the US Congress, no collective changes originate at grandeur stages. Abolishing slavery certainly did not, nor did measures aimed at assisting the assimilation of many other ethnic groups.</p>

[lapras]

<p>@Anonymous93 - I’m sick, and bored out of my mind. I celebrated after getting in, and then the adrenaline rush that I had for the 2 weeks leading to my acceptance wore off =P</p>

[fuzzyfirebunny]

<p>@ lapras: LOL, same here parents are still saying yes to every party/activity I’m asking for, though. bwahahahahaa winnn</p>

[Anonymous93]

<p>@mifune: You know way too much about debate I.E.s for a nondebater. This worries me. Our secrets are being leaked out Though if they had to be leaked out, I guess it’s not so bad that a debate-like speaker knows about them. However, I still wholeheartedly disagree with your analysis of AA and of the worthwhileness of this debate. On the other hand, I am still willing to look passed that and realize that you are more than what your facade portrays. From what I understand, Congress varies from place to place, so perhaps it’s a legit event in your district. In Missouri, it’s not.</p>

<p>@lapras and fuzzyfirebunny - I hate you both. I got rejected from Stanford SCEA, though I imagine my parents would have let me do whatever I pleased for the remainder of my life.</p>

[fuzzyfirebunny]

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Congress varies from place to place, so perhaps it’s a legit event in your district

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<p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA <em>pause, breathe</em> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA</p>

<p>:P</p>

<p>I think Mifune wasn’t referring to the actual debate event Congress, but real-life Congress. after all, there aren’t really political nuances in the debate event.</p>

<p>And, Stanford SCEA was BRUTAL I’m sorryyyy!!! But best of luck in RD at other schools :)</p>

[lapras]

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And, Stanford SCEA was BRUTAL I’m sorryyyy!!! But best of luck in RD at other schools

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<p>Took the words out of my mouth. My class’s would-be valedictorian (if we ranked) was flat out rejected. She seemed like the perfect package too. I wish you good luck during RD!</p>

[Anonymous93]

<p>How do you quote people in the pretty little boxes? :)</p>

<p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I just wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. Congress, could, perhaps, in some small isolated area be a legit event. And how do you manage to do Policy and LD? Though I’m guessing you don’t, and you actually do LD?</p>

<p>Stanford SCEA was brutal. Yale at least defers people. It’d be nice if Stanford didn’t enjoy making “final decisions” so much :). It’s all good though.</p>

<p>Not to mention, so many people sent me messages about my stats, which made me feel a lot better about the other schools. And that is why I use CC. Not for the debates on AA.</p>

[Millancad]

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I agree; I think the SAT is more highly looked at at most colleges. It’s tougher to get 2300+ than a 34 - 36 on the ACT.

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<p>I got a 2300 but I could only get a 30 on the ACT! My sister was the same way. And we’re from ACT country.</p>

<p>And @ anonymous: Do [ quote] [ /quote] without the spaces.</p>

[Anonymous93]

<p>@Millancad, you are a wonderful human being. Thank you!
And congrats on your acceptances! I think I read it in another thread.</p>

<p>Oh and Millancad, I took the ACT less seriously than the SAT, so maybe you did the same and that’s why you didn’t do as well?</p>

[mifune]

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However, I still wholeheartedly disagree with your analysis of AA and of the worthwhileness of this debate.

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<p>That is fine but please realize that current AA policy is not the ultimate solution to providing social mobility to those who rightfully deserve it. I believe that one that is more inclusive of multiple factors will properly supplant racially-based AA to more objectively measure relative burdens that are not conducive to individual achievement. Given the liberality of the financial aid programs at the most elite institutions in recent years, I believe that this is unquestionably a proper step in the right direction.</p>

[Millancad]

<p>Thanks Anonymous!</p>

<p>I think it might be more that I took the ACT once, whereas I took the SAT four times, starting when I was only 11. I <3’d that test.</p>