Yes those were the stem rankings that we were discussing.
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If those are the STEM rankings it only illustrates how absolute stupid Niche is.
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So true. Don’t rely on Niche.
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Do you know if it’s popular for students to self-study for AP exams? Or do most students just take the rigorous course and disregard the exam?
The kids I know typically did not, but depending on the school you are hoping to attend it may make sense. Not necessary from an application standpoint but may come in handy in terms of credits. Elite private schools often don’t give you much for AP credits and most will have a placement test that can be taken instead.
Depends on the class. I self-studied one exam, while I was explicitly prepared for my other five APs by the classes I took.
The most popular APs to self-study are probably Lit and Lang (the latter of which I did), as our English classes prepare us pretty well for them in general; world languages; biology; and U.S. history.
My daughter will be a Sophomore transfer tennis player. She will be a Day student. Her goal is to play college tennis and currently trains M-Th from 4-6pm then 2 tournament wks per month. Any idea what the daily schedule would be like for her?
Are Wednesday afternoons pretty free of obligations, or does the school, clubs, teams etc. fill them up?
@confusedaboutFA – any thoughts for @bloomwell as a recent Lville day student grad?
IME Lawrenceville makes it extremely difficult to pursue commitments outside of school and not very accommodating of the need to miss school days. Even if they tell you it’s possible. It would not have worked for us at all.
Lawrenceville is a great school, but it is not better than the other schools around. What makes them different is the lifestyle. Most day students stay through dinner and often don’t come home until 9 or 10. The majority of the day students we know eventually dropped their outside EC because they felt they were missing out too much in the school life.
If continuing tennis at a high level is important, Peddie is a lot more accommodating (and they were undefeated this season). And there are plenty of good day schools around too.
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I disagree. You can get an athletic exemption if you are pursuing a sport at a high level outside of school - as long as you play on the school team during its season. The only thing going on between 4 and 6 every day is sports so if you have an exemption, you are absolutely fine. Classes end at 3, Clubs are usually around 7 (if you have one).
Also, Lawrenceville does GREAT with athletic recruiting due to their high academic standards.
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In the past, tennis and squash athletes we know have said LV was quite restrictive for their continued sport development. Maybe LV has loosened up recently.
In both sports, high level junior players are increasingly choosing to stay at, or attend, local day schools instead of boarding or even attending as a day student at a rigorous boarding school. This often allows them more access to their current coaches and high-level practice. There is also greater flexibility in attending weekend tournaments, which may require Friday travel in addition to Saturday/Sunday attendance.
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Yes but not for sports where the primary training is outside of school/involves missed school days for national level competition. This is true for swimming, for example.
Also, unless things changed, you can only take one exemption, and IIRC none your first year.
But my point was also that there is lots happening at Lville after 6pm. If you can’t participate in those activities why go there? The Princeton area has plenty of excellent schools that don’t require making such compromise.
Regardless, its just something to really dig into. We were told it was possible, we know this not to be true in our sport. OP can DM me if they want specifics. When I pushed on the issue the response was “kids do it, but its true, they are not really able to be part of the community.”
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Hi - I would suggest talking to Lville and trying to get in touch with some players. The academics and schedule is very rigorous. Kids all have sports between 4-6 so that does make that part a bit easier, however, I do agree that it is hard to have it all at BS as so much of life is centered around being apart of the life. That being said there are tons of great athletes that go on to be recruited for college. The lville girls tennis just won MAPL.
Please also note many things have change at lville incl. the schedule. Only some wed/Sat are half days.(Happy to answer general questions re Lville).
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Same in our sport. By junior year, the teammates who opted for Lville had all given up on the possibility of continuing in college. My athlete missed 15% - 20% of school days during Jr and Sr year while in season, which overlapped with 2/3 of the school year. It would never have been possible without the support of the school and the teachers.
You might find a fuller experience at L’ville as a boarder leaving to practice every day than as a day student leaving after classes end. If you’re close enough to be a day student, you could probably make that work. Just another option.
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The rigor is an important aspect not to be overlooked. Yes, your formal obligations may end at 6pm but kids then go and do homework. If you eat dinner, then head do another practice from 7-9, when do you realistically start work?
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Yes I agree that if you leave every day at 3 you will not feel part of the community. I just meant - it CAN be done. Also, I have heard high level tennis players are now getting homeschooled and playing all day long!
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Of course!
I agree in full with this post. I was on campus 12 hours a day 6 days a week while I was in high school. I had some friends who did off-campus sports and it was a very hectic schedule that precluded them from engaging in other activities.
To be honest, going to Lawrenceville isn’t really worth it as a “flaky day student”; you’re missing out on so much of what makes the experience there valuable.
I had an athletic exemption in the winter of my senior year, and while this schedule does work in theory, in practice, things are a lot more messy and stressful when you try to put it into practice.
For OP (@Bloomwell) Anecdotally, I cannot think of a single tennis recruit from my four years at Lawrenceville. The only other sports that Lawrenceville offers where I can’t think of any recruits are wrestling and golf, which are both significantly more niche than tennis. Contrary to what another poster said, we have a solid pipeline of squash recruits (2~3 per year).
Having spoken to some tennis players at my college, it seems like it’s not at all uncommon to move to homeschooling so that you can play tennis at a level high enough to get recruited—all of them did it at some point in their schooling. I cannot possibly imagine “doing Lawrenceville well” while also playing that much.
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Thank you for the detailed look! How would the logistics of pick up at 3:30 and drop off at 6:30pm for ecs look like? My daughter would be a day student, and have to be at off campus practice 2-4 days a week from 4-6pm or 4-7pm. The commute would be about 10 minutes.
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Are there Day students who have serious athletic commitments? Pretty common, uncommon?
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In theory, the logistics should work out, however I am suspicious about what the practical reality will look like…
—will she miss out and feel like an outsider socially? The community component is important to her, but so is her sport…
—Do most Day students eat dinner on campus?
—when and where do most meaningful socializing occur?
—how are Day students viewed by boarders?
—Would she be able to have another major EC such as newspaper, or dance in addition to her sport? She is also a writer with a passion for history and politics.
—do boarders sleep over at day students homes on weekends, and vice versa?
Thank you to advance for your help!