"Yes @coolweather he’s known for being racist and sexist but he had never attacked anyone directly like he did to my daughter. Even he might have but no one has come forward and said anything. Daughter actually had a small talk with the councelor (not a complaint btw) and asked for advice. He even said that guy was just being a guy acting immaturely. School officials know how he is obviously. I guess it’s all settled and my problem is solved because H didn’t blow up the case at the end.
P.S. This guys has very little friends and my daughter probably is his only female friend. So I doubt he would have too much opportunity to offend people. He does it in social science class but you get to voice your own opinion, don’t you?"
Pomona class of 2020: acceptance rate at a record low of 9.1 percent.
Ten applicants for every place and this was the best they could do?
Yes (also some of Japanese ancestry as well, on an individual basis, before Executive Order 9066).
Yes, by Executive Order 9066, if they were unable to move out of the western mainland on short notice.
In 1944, the US Supreme Court sided 6-3 with the government in ruling that the exclusion of persons of Japanese ancestry from the western mainland in Executive Order 9066 was constitutional in Fred Korematsu versus United States.
It was also easier to indulge in a taste of racism when the targeted group was small enough that the disruption to society and economy was relatively small to others (unlike if an exclusion order were written for persons of German or Italian ancestry generally in the US, or persons of Japanese ancestry in Hawaii).
Geez can people put away their pitchforks for a moment? There’s an unpleasant internet mob mentality brewing here. Remember that this entire thread is based on an ANONYMOUS report by the alleged parent of a classmate. Based on this anonymous and one-sided report, a bunch of you are ready to launch various attacks against him (or against some poor guy you think is him)? Someone even said it would be for his own good. How about going out and doing some actual good in the world instead of sitting at your laptop and feeling good about yourselves for conducting an internet show trial?
The issue is the statement the kid made went well-beyond merely making a political statement.
Once he personalized it towards OP’s D by saying SHE should be deported, that crosses the line from making a political statement into making a personal racist attack which would be a violation of many high school conduct codes regarding racist behavior, harassment, etc.
If he had merely said all illegal immigrants should be deported, THAT would have been a political statement.
Recent Supreme Court rulings have found that while students have First Amendment rights, it is more limited than the general public at large as the public schools have a compelling interest in enacting limits in the interest of fulfilling their mission of providing a safe secure environment conducive and that “consciously or otherwise, teachers—and indeed the older students—demonstrate the appropriate form of civil discourse and political expression by their conduct and deportment in and out of class”:
Bethel School District v. Fraser
Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier
Morse v. Frederick
That’s not to say I necessarily agree 100% with the rulings in these three cases. However, these cases do demonstrate how courts have felt the need to allow for school districts to balance their students First Amendment rights with their compelling need to provide a safe secure educational environment and education for K-12 students.
Bravo Corinthian. There’s a lot we don’t know about this one sided story. Did this even happen on school property? What led up to this comment? Highly doubtful that this was a random out of the blue comment I’m guessing there was some sort of conversation or altercation leading to regretful things being said. Did OP’s daughter call him out on Pamona not even being safety worthy? Did she call him out for claiming to be partially Hispanic.? Did she make comment that he shouldn’t be valedictorian because she took harder classes? All of these things would be offensive to this guy. Not saying she did but I don’t believe nothing happened just because “my daughter told me”
Kids tell half truths all the time to skew an incident in their favor. Drop it and move on. AND NO that does not mean I am teaching my children to accept racism as someone accused earlier.
@Tigerle, if no one reports his behavior (assuming it is a violation of rules at their HS) and no disciplinary action is taken, then how would Pomona know? People like this count in the fact that it Is a hassle to get them in trouble. And they go on to repeat the behavior again and again.
@cobrat, that’s exactly what I’m saying: stick to stopping the racist harassment.
@corinthian, I’m the one who said that having this racist harassment stopped is for his own good. I also said that other instances of his racist remarks should be documented and then reported. That’s not at all what you’re saying; crucifying the guy over a “he said, she said” situation isn’t what I’m saying should be done.
I am sorry you were bullied. I didn’t say it never happens but I also don’t think it happens often. I understand how, as someone who was bullied, you are seeing things only through that lense. Fortunately I wasn’t bullied but I know people who were. I try to see things from all sides of a situation and I don’t believe there is enough information in this case to warrant the “lynching” mentality.
Let’s just agree to disagree. We actually agree on the major issue we just disagree on how to handle the situation. Doesn’t nean I’m right, doesn’t mean you are right. Just differing opinions.
You’re right on several accounts @bhs1978 We disagree , and will continue to disagree. Doesn’t mean your right, doesn’t mean I’m right. I also try to see things from all sides. I think it should be investigated by the school to determine if bullying occurred . If no bullying occurred , then there’s no problem. If it did, then there should be consequences . The difference between how you and I view things is I believe things should be looked into before dismissing it as a nonissue. “Lynching mentality” seems like an overstatement IMO.
The issue is that some in this very thread argued that what the kid said wasn’t racist or harassment which I found to be odd as it certainly would have been considered as such and dealt with accordingly at my public magnet HS and several public school districts I know of.
They are also helped by folks who make arguments along the lines of “Let the victims/offended handle it directly with the bully/harasser/offender without involving authorities” or otherwise minimizing it by saying “it’s just schoolyard drama”.
I don’t know if you realize it, but making a statement like that towards someone with firsthand experience is a bit patronizing at best
Especially if it is coming from someone who had no firsthand experience him/herself.
It would be no different than say someone who has never experienced racism telling someone who has that “you are seeing things only through that lense”.
Similarly, I’ve also read accounts from some war veterans that encountering statements like this from civilians or even fellow military members who have never been in combat is one reason why they are extremely guarded about relating their combat experiences in any depth except to fellow veterans who had the same experiences.
I asked my D, who just spent a year on a competition civics team where she presented and debated the constitution, her thoughts on this. Mainly, I was curious as to her opinion. She thinks it’s bullying because the comment was directed at an individual. If he had said, “I hope Trump wins and deports immigrants.” then that is is constitutional right. But since he said, “I hope he deports you.” that is bullying and should be reported to the school.
Incidentally, she will be attending a different 5C and I hope she doesn’t run into this person. Actually, I feel confident that she would call him out on his words.
For some of those that are convinced this is bullying, I ask this: Since the OP tells us this was the first time such an insult was directed at the D, please define for me the distinction between insulting her, bullying her, and just ordinary teasing.
Or do some people see all 3 the same, and see no distinction in this case?
Doesn’t a part of the modern definition of bullying generally include “repeated behavior”, and that it creates a real or perceived threat? Since we are told this was a one-time insult to the D, doesn’t that negate calling it bullying? And was the D truly threatened by the statement, (since she knows she is an American citizen) or just mad at the insult? There is a big difference, and if the student was angered, but really didn’t feel she would be deported because of the boy’s statement, then she did not perceive there to be a threat of deportation.
For example, the boy might have “threatened” to dip her pigtails in the inkwell, but if she doesn’t have pigtails and he doesn’t have an inkwell, then it isn’t a real threat after all, is it?
Any constitutional scholar can tell us there is no right not to be offended.
To the best of my recollection, the OP has not told us of any other deportation threats made toward the D.
But, the OP tells us the fellow asked this general (goofy) question on a social media site: “Do we put a chain on our girl like we do to our dog if you don’t want them to run away?” if that’s what post 192 is referring to. Obviously the answer to his question, if one even takes it seriously enough to answer it, is No. Do you interpret his question, carolinamom as a serious inquiry, where he is truly seeking guidance, and further, also interpret it as if he answered his own question with “Yes, we should put a leash on girls?”. Or is it just a high school kid saying something stupid? I think we’re hearing about an immature high school boy, but heck he is only a high school boy. I suspect there are also immature high school girls at that school too.
You and I have 2 different definitions of immaturity @younghoss . I guess boys will be boys as long as people defend inappropriate behavior as immaturity. And I agree , there may be immature girls at that school as well, and if they were making repeated , inappropriate comments I’d say they were bullies too. At least my teenage sons know what’s inappropriate when some grown men don’t.
One of the basic takeaways from one of the recent Supreme Court rulings which narrowed the First Amendment rights of K-12 students was the need to balance that with the K-12 public school’s mission of providing a safe environment conducive to education and in the words of one of those rulings: “consciously or otherwise, teachers—and indeed the older students—demonstrate the appropriate form of civil discourse and political expression by their conduct and deportment in and out of class”.
Seems the compelling need of public schools to model appropriate forms of civil discourse and political expression by conduct and deportment in and out of class covers dealing with students making harassing, racist, and yes…even tasteless remarks while under school jurisdiction. Jurisdiction which could also cover behavior outside of school/off school grounds depending on the policies of the particular school district.
@bhs1978 I can assure you that my daughter didn’t say anything to provoke or insult the guy that you suggested. She even says he’s smarter than her all the time. Most importantly, my daughter isn’t competitive and she doesn’t care too much about other people’s business. I’m proud I have a kind kid.