In the context of a simulated rape, the sounds that were tested were (1) a woman screaming “Help, rape, call the police”; (2) a woman screaming “fire”; (3) the sound of a whistle; and (4) a control consisting of the sounds of the struggle without one of the above messages. We concluded that when the situation provides little information bystanders help more frequently to “Help, rape” than to the “Fire” message. Under conditions of high information, Fire is the least successful message in attracting indirect help and we concluded that Fire is not statistically superior at attracting direct help.
I was raped when I was 15. Did I report it - no. I’ve been sexually assaulted and harassed multiple times in college and in my professional career. Do I think I’m unique. Not even a little bit. If you think your loved one hasn’t been harassed at a minimum - you’re fooling yourself. Women justify inappropriate behavior every single day. To avoid the, well what did SHE do. MeToo was supposed to educate people about the utter prevalence of this behavior, but this thread shows people are still clueless.
I had absolutely zero concern that my son would be accused of sexual assault when he went to college - zero. And if he EVER thought a drunk/drugged girl was consent, I would have failed as a parent. People wringing their hands that their kid would be accused of sexual assault - I can’t quite find the right pc word - do better. Maybe just maybe, if your son doesn’t have sex with women who are incapacitated, they won’t think they’ve been raped.
Did I worry about my daughter - every single day and still do. If you’re sitting there thinking you understand because your camera was stolen, you’re the problem. Women are not objects that need to hide in order to prevent some ■■■■■■■ from raping them. Stop wondering what they did - it’s a pretty clear signal you’re already excusing the perpetrator.
Again, I gave an example, based on @twoinanddone of preventative activities can sometime avert things from happening.
It was not used to equate to a rape - and people should stop saying so.
I’m sorry for your experiences. No one should have to go through that.
And please read my posts, I have not a single time excused anyone. I’ve asked a lot of questions. I’ve brought up a lot of possibilities based on articles or info that was introduced. And all along, I have said, If they did it, they should be locked up a long time. And yes, it’s an “if” because none of us were there - and I’d choose to believe everyone’s story - but obviously everyone doesn’t share the same story. But I’m also not going to assume one is telling the truth and the rest are liars - because throughout history, that’s proven to unfairly wreck many individuals. I’ve said all along, if it gets to a criminal trial, the jury seeing the evidence will be the ones to decide guilt.
Please stop making accusations that are entirely unfounded, certainly from reading this thread.
I am sorry for your past but that doesn’t give you the right to spew incorrect nonsense.
Incorrect nonsense? As you have stated so often. This is my opinion and it’s a message board, if you feel uncomfortable, perhaps you should reflect on how you have conducted yourself on this thread and not attack someone sharing their opinion. Own your own words, attacking others is just a reflection that perhaps your words aren’t as unbiased as you think.
Yep, we are still getting outdated gender-based stereotypes thrown at us by some (emphasize some, not all) of the men on this thread. Which is part of what contributes to the whole issue in the first place. Along with “I’m not victim-blaming, but…” which starts to sound as sincere as “I’m not racist, but…” .
I suggest muting him and any other offensive posters in this thread. It’s amazingly effective and relieving. And this thread makes clear whose opinions I am not interested in ever hearing.
I’d have to think the differentiations - for example 67 of 61K at Ohio State but 217 at smaller Albany or 198 at smaller Bing - are probably in reporting structure, etc.
No idea but I’d imagine the variance nationwide wouldn’t be that crazy high although i’m sure there are differences of urban to rural, etc. - depending upon if figures include outsiders. In other words, a Columbia or NYU likely has more outsiders with access to campus than a Penn State but really moreso a school in the middle of nowhere of which Penn State isn’t exactly as it’s in a small metro area.
It’s quite sad to have to look at going to college this way but it’s certainly a reasonable thing to look at for prospective families.
I said it earlier, it makes you wonder how you could be excited for your children to go away to college - it’s all rather sad.
Unfortunately the reported numbers are often more reflective of the university’s openness to reporting than actual assault numbers. If I could have found a university more “safe” I’d have been more than happy to vote with my money, but have a very healthy skepticism for the numbers.
fiftyfifty1 pointed above that schools like Cooper Union or another commuter school are very safe. Would you consider those? Those are demonstrably safer.
By the same token, not participating in Greek culture is likely demonstrably safer. Would you not abstain from Greek culture when it is seen to be so toxic? People have tried very hard to separate Greek culture from the many excesses that seem to be part of it, but none of the arguments are compelling. Why not just stay in a less charged environment?
All these are legitimate concerns. I told my kid that the one school that I would strongly prefer he not apply to is U Chicago, because that city sees a 1000 murders a year.
Growing up, there is one college that I was afraid to apply to because I heard that kids there abuse alcohol heavily. Later on (4 years later) I saw tons of kids from that school meet expectations on the alcohol front. People, if they care enough, should exercise self restraint in avoiding these situations. Otherwise it is just idle talk. Talk is cheap.
I’m not in state for Cooper Union, so was never on my radar for my kids and honestly there aren’t any commuter schools in my state, so I won’t opine on what my opinion might have been.
I did have an opinion on Greek life and expressed it to my kids. I don’t for a second discount the dangers there and while acknowledge that I was in a sorority at MIT and feel like it was a very different experience am very ready to acknowledge the issues and do not let my own experience pretend there are not real issues with the system.
As I said a few times on this site, I did not grow up here. A lot of us came for grad school, men and women, went through grad school, and have had very little or no, SA type issues while being in school for many many years. Everyone, men and women, are appropriately cautious, and don’t invite trouble, and have had no problems. In many many colleges.
