<p>Do guys get a do-over? </p>
<p>Say you fathered kids out of wedlock. Can you “de-paternal-ize” yourself because you’d feel better if you’d waited to get married first (or to save a few bucks)?</p>
<p>The sad thing about the original article which I read early this morning is that some young women who are returning to a foreign country are having surgery to restore their hymen out of fear of either rejection or physical harm.</p>
<p>As to women who merely choose to revirginize themselves in their mind, I agree with mini and the Madonna comment. People do some mighty strange things in the name of religion.</p>
<p>07dad, some guys would probably like to get a do-over again and again and again…</p>
<p>I get a little tired of the Catholic bashing. 07Dad, do you rely on “rumor” to tell you the beliefs of other faiths? For the record, it is a MORTAL SIN in Catholicism for one person in a marriage to deny sex to the other. Catholic teaching is straight out of St. Paul on this point. Paraphrasing, he says something like married couples should not deny one another sex, except for a short time, and only then by mutual consent. So, please, don’t rely on anti-Catholics to tell you what the Church teaches. </p>
<p>VeryHappy,there have been several threads on annulments in the Catholic Church; if you are curious do a search. Better yet, get yourself a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and read the part about annulments.</p>
<p>Jonri: I guess I don’t understand. Are you saying the Catholic church does NOT annul marriages? I don’t understand why anyone is bashing the church by saying they do. It is a fact.</p>
<p>Jonri:</p>
<p>Actually, its a non-denominational observation that some couples report that after they have their kids their love life wains and sometimes the decision to “forego” is one-sided. </p>
<p>I find that if I am looking for a slight, I can find one: real or imagined. The quoted section of the article did not connect the chaste marriage/spiritual virgins to Catholics, but to unspecified Middle Ages “Christians.” Not all Middle Ages Christians were Roman Catholics.</p>
<p>07Dad: Are you seriously suggesting that YOUR comment was a discussion of sexual practices during the Middle Ages? I objected to YOUR comment. Your comment was a remark about CURRENT sexual practices, not the Middle Ages. And, unless you are woefully ignorant–and I don’t think you are–you know that John Paul II didn’t live in the Middle Ages either. The article is purporting to talk about CURRENT Catholic teaching, as well as Christian teaching during the Middle Ages. </p>
<p>Your claim that you were making a “non-denominational” comment only makes your comments anti-Christian rather than anti-Catholic. Do you have any data which shows that Catholics or Christains of any denomination are more likely to have issues with waining sexuality after the birth of children than do folks who are atheists or agnostics? You certainly haven’t cited any. If all you wanted to do was say that some married couples have less interest in sex after they have children, there wouldn’t be any need for you to quote the language you did…or for that matter, post it in this thread. That discussion would not MENTION religion at all. </p>
<p>So, I didn’t look for a slight–I saw one. A rather blatant one, IMO. </p>
<p>and, 3bm103. The Church does annul marriages. The fact that I have pointed out that there are several threads on this topic on this site and suggested that VeryHappy read them or the Catechism of the Catholic Church makes it self-evident that I am NOT saying that the Catholic Church doesn’t annul marriages–and again, I don’t think you are stupid, so you know I’'m not saying this. But drawing an analogy between a woman with two children claiming that she is a “virgin” and annulments by the Catholic Church is, IMO, blatant Catholic bashing.</p>
<p>Each and every state in the US annuls marriages–granted that some of the grounds differ for civil and ecclesiastical annulments, does VeryHappy not “understand” how the state can annul marriages?</p>
<p>And why just Catholics for that matter? Are you unaware that several Protestant denominations have annulment procedures?</p>
<p>Veryhappy, you MUST read the book by Sheila Kennedy Rauch about her annulment (non consensual) from Joe Kennedy. I think its called, “Shattered Vows” or something similar.</p>
<p>OK-------</p>
<p>Rumor has it that some spouses [without reference to Roman Catholics about which no opinion is expressed or is to be impled] make the last decision without consulting the other spouse. Hence, “pigs are flying” in that “relationship.”</p>
<p>jonri: I think you overreacted to 07DAD. When I first read that statement I interpreted it as his feeble attempt at humor, a variation on the usual complaint of “my wife doesn’t want sex any more”.</p>
<p>vicariousparent is right:</p>
<p>I am a secular feeble humorist. I’ve been outted, DARN. </p>
<p>And, revirgination seemed to be such fertile ground for feeble humor. I didn’t realized revirgination was such serious business. I believe their slogan is: Just say NO, now.</p>
<p>And here I thought this thread was going to be about the ladies who call themselves the Sweet Potato Queens and who march in the St Paddy’s parade in Jackson and write silly books about recipes and sex and finances. The author has a chapter on revirgination - a practice more like a spa weekend - as the good end to a bad relationship. Pedicure, bubble bath, champagne and hit the “delete” key on him forever!</p>
<p>Is it “revirginized” or “revirginated”?</p>
<p>I think revirginated has a better ring to it.</p>
<p>Rare is the week that my W doesn’t break out in loud laughter over some portion of the wisdom of the Sweet Potato Queens. Not only revirgination but the slaying of the Betty Crocker myth of “modern” womanhood. Cracks me up too, but, hey, I’m a lowbrow secular humorist.</p>
<p>And for the guys who want to unpaternize -</p>
<p>“Dissemenate”?</p>
<p>How about: Reflower?</p>
<p>If both the guy and the girl see the sins of their past and get on board are they “reform-icators?”</p>
<p>^^^^They may be reform-icators but not refornicators!</p>
<p>^^^^^ Unless they back-slide.</p>
<p>I bet there are plenty of women out there who are perfectly happy that “the first time” only happens the first time. Wonder if the men this supposed “gift” is for really even give a damn.</p>
<p>If the doctors could program in some pyrotechnics, confetti and music (a little Marvin Gaye would be nice), then MAYBE it would be worth it…</p>
<p>Womens and their bodies go through enough without losing sleep over this foolishness.</p>
<p>I think I’m going to wake up my snoring husband right now and announce that I want to become “revirginized.”</p>