<p>nceph - I am trying to make a point. Please just answer the question. If gay marriage were legal, thus opening the way for untold – UNTOLD – numbers of such unions now and in the future, at what point would you say that we must now limit gay marriage? Or do you think that any number, including the majority of marriages, is okay with society and we will just go on our merry way?</p>
<p>FS - touche!</p>
<p>zooser - You “don’t believe it would ever happen” (majority of marriages gay) – but if it DID, what would you say to that? I am trying to prove a point. Can I get anyone to answer a hypothetical question?!</p>
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<p>Very well put, FS.</p>
<p>And to somehow suggest that there would be a competition between the numbers of gay vs hetero marriages is beyond silly. IMO, too many hetero marriages now end because the people involved entered into that marriage ill-prepared or just not willing to think of someone beyond themselves. Marriage takes work and patience and a great deal of self-sacrifice, something which our present day culture has a hard time with.</p>
<p>Apparently Leanid is saying that the only thing preventing men from marrying men instead of women is the law which makes marrying women legal and marrying men illegal, since he seems to think that the ratio of heterosexual marriages to homosexual marriages would dwindle to zero if the law recognized gay marriages. Leanid - I’ll answer your question: Ideally, all gay people would eventually marry other gay people, just as ideally all heterosexual people would find that one perfect guy/gal and marry and settle down as well. Lacking that degree of perfection, I’d hope for a pretty high rate of monogamy (even if it’s only serial monogamy) among all adults. So the ratio of gay marriages to other marriages would hopefully approach the ratio of gay people to straight people. </p>
<p>I can personally assure you that regardless of what the law allowed, I wouldn’t marry a guy, no matter how cute he was. Sorry - I’m just not wired that way. Most people aren’t, apparently. No one knows the exact ratio of gays to straights, but I’m pretty sure it’s less than 10%. So you might see one gay marriage for every ten “regular” marriages. Would that be a problem for you?</p>
<p>Apparently, any more than zero gay marriages would be a problem, yes.</p>
<p>Leanid
I am not sure why I am the only one being asked this q
and I feel I am repeating myself
but assuming all the couples are equally emotionally and economically stable it would be a toss up.
I will allow that in this country- a F/F or M/M couple is at a disadvantage in that they can be legally discriminated against in housing or in employment, but that isn’t necessarily the case if we were to live in another country.</p>
<p>It doesn’t really make a difference to me- I don’t have a personal preference and in any case I am long past the point of thinking about what sort of influence my parents had.</p>
<p>Why does it matter so much to you that I don’t have a preference?</p>
<p>“zooser - You “don’t believe it would ever happen” (majority of marriages gay) – but if it DID, what would you say to that? I am trying to prove a point. Can I get anyone to answer a hypothetical question?”</p>
<p>Sorry. I guess I only think it would be a problem if there was a band of marauding, unwanted women roaming the streets of our cities and towns.</p>
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<p>And who are these “many” posters who are against the gay lifestyle, Opie? Who has stated that all gays lare aberrant? Who are the “anti-gay” posters? I’m seeing plenty of irrational, angry posts from people who are completely misinterpreting other people’s statements. When gay bathroom sex was brought up, I referred to the constantly-running hetero bathroom sex commercial. Both are coarse and extremely unappealing and dangerous. FS, who is quite conservative and sympathetic to gay partnerships, introduced very valid points about large segments of the gay community embracing the most outlandish, in-you-face spectacles to gain attention for their cause, which will do nothing to win public support for gay partnership rights. Many posters, including me, have simply pointed out that lifestyle is a choice. The committed lesbian couple who live a few doors down from me made a choice. As do the flamboyant Greenwich Village Halloween parade participants. Pointing out the range of gay lifestyle choices earns one the label of “hateful” on this thread for some reason.</p>
<p>I am against the promiscuous bathhouse gay lifestyle. Care for as many withered, skeletal AIDS patients as I have. Hold their hands as they rant in the confused state of dimentia their disease has taken them to. Dress their open wounds and change their diapers. See the agony on the faces of their loved ones. Then tell me we should not acknowledge the problem runs rampant in the world of gay, promiscuous men.</p>
<p>Yes, I am making a judgement call. The range of behaviors that make up the gay lifetyle is a wide one. Merely from a public health standpoint, we should not be afraid to be honest about that fact.</p>
<p>Well, it’s nice to see that the “gay lifestyle” now includes mothers-in-law recognized at the highest reaches in the Republican Administration.</p>
<p>Works for me.</p>
<p>Hasn’t Dick Cheney been doing this with his daughter since before he was elected?</p>
<p>I’ll give it to you mini,
having learned that the way to win a campaign is to “stay on message” you’re gonna ride this horse till it’s dead…
…then you’ll probably kick it.</p>
<p>Hey, if you don’t want to give credit where credit is due, at least I will.</p>
<p>But instead of wasting your time here with the rest of us peons, I think you should be crafting a congratulatory editorial.</p>
<p>kluge - Not a problem for ME but for future generations. You appear to be basing your argument on the “born with it” theory. Just as environment affects other ways in which people develop, I firmly believe that the permissive society, that gay marriage spells out, will have a detrimental effect on the young – who are prone to environmental influences, as I am sure you are well aware.</p>
<p>“I guess I only think it would be a problem if there was a band of marauding, unwanted women roaming the streets of our cities and towns.”</p>
<p>zooser - One of the who knows how many “unintended consequences”?</p>
<p>Shall we point out the range of heterosexual “lifestyles”?</p>
<p>The rapists, the pedophiles, the swingers, the adulterers?</p>
<p>They are all at least as repugnant as the bathhouse gay men.</p>
<p>kity - Okay, what I gather then is that even is the world went 100% gay it would be no problem to you – is that a valid inference? What world do YOU dwell in, or are you simply a resident of the isle of Lesbos?</p>
<p>“if not in fact, at least in your imagination.”</p>
<p>Oh, that stings. Here’s another smiley face :)</p>
<p>" I do not, however, think it helps the cause of gay marriage for you to advertise it so"</p>
<p>Why because people of both straight and gay lifestyles have a wide variety of sexual activity levels? Or do just gay folks have more sex? </p>
<p>"Not sure, but Im guessing that not a lot of women are pulling over at highway rest-stops to have anonymous hetro-sex with the horny and lonely guys that, you imagine, await them; "</p>
<p>No, it’s called beer goggles at closing time. 
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<p>"I mean, just in case you, or other hetro-men are hanging-out waiting for hot-babes to show up in those disgusting stalls: Really, it’s a waste of time. Take my word for it. "</p>
<p>Why? where are these stalls at? Have you been there? What’s the address?</p>
<p>:) Sorry sex happens to different people in different places and times. Again applying your personal standard of what “is” and what “isn’t” correct is just limiting it to your personal experiences. What if you’re not the best example? </p>
<p>“Just a hunch; but, I wouldnt waste my time if I were you. Try a dating sevice.”</p>
<p>Which one? Actually why I’m picking on you and some others here is because you’ve established yourselves as some sort of standard for moral behavor. My point is who appointed YOU guys? Did the FDA or USDA approve of how you do things? Is there a secret club I should join? I’ve found if your happy in your life, you care very little about bothering others about theirs.</p>
<p>Leanid, the world won’t “go 100% gay”. Like I said, I won’t. (I can’t speak for you.) I suspect that most of the posters here on CC, including the young ones, are pretty clear on their sexual orientation. There may be a few undecideds still, and probably a few in the closet, but most of us are probably pretty firmly heterosexual. It’s been that way throughout history, in societies all over the globe; I honestly can’t think of a reason why that would suddenly change. Global warming? Trans-fats?</p>
<p>"See the agony on the faces of their loved ones. "</p>
<p>Is that just their natural family? Or does HIPPA and your hospital allow for their partner to be present?</p>
<p>Sorry I have earned your scorn SS by supporting gay marriage. My bad. Alot of things kill people and not very quickly. We try as a society to help people make safe choices, but at the end of the day, people do what they want. </p>
<p>And from a public health standpoint, DO YOU practice what you preach? I’ve never met a perfect person before. How’s the glass on your house?</p>
<p>kity - It “matters” to me that you “don’t have a preference” because it betrays the fact that you have not thought it through to its logical conclusion, however remote that conclusion may be at this time – that allowing gay marriage puts into motion a slow, and thus insidious, assault on society and how it has stood from the dawn.</p>
<p>I do not excuse the too many examples of unacceptable behavior of individuals toward eachother who happen to be heterosexual, nor would I. Furthermore, that is a topic for another thread. But what I am saying is that just because in our frail humanity we fail and will continue to fail in trying to live a decent life, we do not throw out our systems – which were well thought out, through the ages – just because we have not lived up to their ideals, and then adopt another altogether laughable one (gay marriage) to take their place!</p>