<p>“The slow and insidious assault on society” would continue, with or without gay marriage. Gay marriage is simply the scapegoat, east to blame for society’s ills. Really, the problems are quite a bit more complex, and are rooted in greed, not in whom one loves.</p>
<p>kluge - “environment” in this case is not of the EPA variety.</p>
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Really?
I recommend you try this line on your significant other when “sex happens” without him or her: whether in a roadside commode or some other romantic spot of choice.</p>
<p>Done thusly:
“…it just happened! Next thing I know the guys walking away and I’m laying on the grimey tile floor with my pants around my ankles and the smell of urine in the air.”</p>
<p>Though I do recommend some caution with such an unwieldy dictum:
usually when sex just “happens” one of the people it “happened” to will–appropriately, having had it just “happen” to them through no effort or “choice” of thier own–call it rape. </p>
<p>Just a heads-up there, tiger.</p>
<p>Fountainsiren, while I find myself pretty much in agreement with you and Zoosermom on this one (and I’m gonna have to frame this post) with regard to your side issue with Opie (which I’ll admit I’m having some difficulty following) I have three words for you: Mile high club.</p>
<p>"Really?
I recommend you try this line on your significant other when “sex happens” without him or her: whether in a roadside commode or some other romantic spot of choice.</p>
<p>Done thusly:
“…it just happened! Next thing I know the guys walking away and I’m laying on the grimey tile floor with my pants around my ankles and the smell of urine in the air.”"</p>
<p>Now is this a personal story you’re sharing here? </p>
<p>So now is gay sex, rape? I’m not following you on this one. Sorry. You see, I’m not very twisted and don’t understand your point in countering mine. Are you trying to shock me? </p>
<p>How do you go from sex to an act of violence (rape) are they the same thing to you? Explain.</p>
<p>Why does anyone care about other peoples sex acts?</p>
<p>Well, you know, Kluge, I was shocked too. Amused (in a good and respectful way) and nodding at several of your posts as well. I’m going to consider your post about agreeing with me a present for my birthday today. I bet CGM would agree with us too, if she were here.</p>
<p>Here’s a question: How many of you can honestly tell me that you really care who random strangers marry? I mean that it’s important to you beyond “oh isn’t that nice?”</p>
<p>“Mile high club.”</p>
<p>K,</p>
<p>My odd thing with FS is the establishment of what “normal sex” actually is. While not endorsing bathroom sex at rest stops as a good choice for any person of any sexual preference… I fail to see it as the ONLY way gay people can have sexual relations. I quite simply point out that heteros can and do have sex in some pretty funky places too. </p>
<p>I object to the vilification of gays by the examples some give here. Minds in the gutter can seldom leave the gutter.</p>
<p>zoos,</p>
<p>"How many of you can honestly tell me that you really care who random strangers marry? I mean that it’s important to you beyond “oh isn’t that nice?”</p>
<p>Ditto. If your happy in your own home, who cares what somebody else does? What is there to fear? If you have confidence in your relationship with your spouse or significant other, things are fine.</p>
<p>um well I have had sex in some pretty creative places I admit- * when the spirit* moves you… ( let me tell you about the Gorge sometime)</p>
<p>I still don’t understand the point of asking me if I would prefer my parents to be gay or straight, that is like asking me if I would prefer to be gay or straight- I am what I am.</p>
<p>But I would like to ask- those who feel that gay marriage- is something that will threaten society and hetero marriages, what you would do as a parent- if your adult ( or younger) child told you they were gay.</p>
<p>Would you encourage them to be celibate? What if, regardless of your feeling, your child seemed to be happy and comfortable with their sexuality?
What if as an adult, they had a long standing “marriage” with a same sex partner? Would you still welcome them into your home? Would you treat the romantic spouse as a nonsexual relationship or would you acknowledge that it was more than that?</p>
<p>At what point do we stop interfering with another adults right to live their life the way they see fit ( legal)</p>
<p>I agree Opie (oy, is lightning going to strike me today?). I believe with all my heart in the pursuit of happiness and in the competence of the vast majority of Americans to live productive, law-abiding lives if left in peace to do so. That is the cornerstone of my personal brand of conservatism.</p>
<p>I like your brand, Zoos. It’s a common sense approach, and I am all about common sense myself.</p>
<p>This thread has gotten too dumb to continue.</p>
<p>Opie: </p>
<p>Not having had your multifarious sexual experiences, I speak as no more than a naïf on the subject of toilet-sex. My experience of bathrooms is merely the common one.</p>
<p>But, as I understand life, sex does not just “happen.” Not even in the toilet. </p>
<p>In fact, it is one of the least likely things to just “happen” of all things that can just happen–like falling down or winning the lottery, both of which to varying degrees “happen”. It is a big deal. Sex traditionally involves emotions, desires, moral decisions, time, place, appropriate maturity, consensual desire, selflessness and selfishness and is quite often accompanied by long term consequences, though perhaps not in a highway restroom. </p>
<p>There are even laws regarding appropriate behavior, as, for instance, representative Foley wrote and violated. It may even require more thought than ordering an appetizer off a menu or showing up for class on time. In any case, sex doesn’t just “happen”, as you would prefer. It is rightly said that ‘■■■ happens,’ but not “sex happens,” other than perhaps in the braggadocio of a boy’s locker room (or, I suppose, a sexy outhouse). </p>
<p>And that you, and those who share your racy sentiments, say such nonsense in a public forum is a large part of the problem faced by those who seek fulfillment in the love of someone of the same sex, wishing to be legally recognized as a “couple,” or family.</p>
<p>For sex to just happen, that is to occur without the considerations listed above, it will most likely fall under the legal definition of rape. That is, the sex that occurred was not chosen but rather, it just “happened” to someone. </p>
<p>There is almost as much responsibility and thought involved in having sex as there is in posting such nonsense as you pen here on cc…at times, perhaps even more. Your irresponsible comments on the subject are THE problem with achieving a consensus on this existential issue faced by so many. </p>
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<p>The objections of the wackos on the religious fringe are nothing compared to this form of sabotage practiced by the sexual libertine, the wannabe playboy and the sexual braggart. In the real world, people are cautious–that’s a good thing–and weary of those who so cavalierly dispense with their cultural traditions and familial presumptions–that is also a good thing. Because, you see, they believe they have something special and life is too short and sweet to just “happen” or not.</p>
<p>My advice to you:
Save your shizzle for the parade…at least there this razzle-dazzle is part of the show.</p>
<p>Re: Mile-High Club,</p>
<p>Should I assume, when flying, you imagine a strange exotic woman waiting for you just beyond the door that reads: “OCCUPIED”?</p>
<p>Careful with that: The exotic stranger may not be gazing into the mirror, pining away for you to arrive while your wife and son sit dutifully waiting for you to ‘hit-it’ in the stall…hey, may not even be a she in there. Enjoy.</p>
<p>I love threads where mini and FountainSiren opine. Could you two get together and write a book on current affairs. I promise I will make my Barnes and Noble employee recommendation.</p>
<p>Be assured I mean this as a complement to both of you.</p>
<p>FountainS,</p>
<p>What I am finding funny about this is your hang up on the subject. You’ve set yourself as some sort of standard EVERYBODY must follow to be pure. Bull. That’s all I’m saying BULL. As in Bulloney 
You are only your standard and that’s all you should worry about. </p>
<p>As you continue to put me down with your fantasy sex situations I am supposed to have had, I have to laugh. Besides I hate to fly and highway restrooms are nasty. </p>
<p>“Your irresponsible comments on the subject are THE problem with achieving a consensus on this existential issue faced by so many.” </p>
<p>Please. Again what organization has approved your position as the correct one? </p>
<p>“My advice to you:
Save your shizzle for the parade…at least there this razzle-dazzle is part of the show.”</p>
<p>And in turn my advice to you…</p>
<p>Worry about your own bedroom,bathroom, airplane and what not… Your view is YOUR view, don’t assume it’s correct. It’s just yours.</p>
<p>Don’t a forget to bidet afterwards kiddies…</p>
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<p>THis post from Allmusic (back on page one) started a long string of complete misrepresentations of what conservatives believe about homosexuality. He/she repeatedly failed to read the posters that followed. You, too, Opie. I specifically mentioned the need for next-of-kin rights for domestic partners, but you failed to read (or comprehend) and made a snarky comment about my hospital’s policy on this. </p>
<p>If you are naive enough to think bathhouse style promiscuous behavior doesn’t warrant a public health response, then there is no sense discussing it further. Random sex with random people, regardless of the gender mix & match, is a serious public health concern. Believe it or not. Support for gay marriage would never earn my scorn. But ignoring a public health crisis under the rainbow flag of political correctness sure does.</p>
<p>THe mile high club is more than likely a Playboy Letters fantasy that an infinitesimal number of people have engaged in. So dream on, guys & gals.</p>
<p>“If you are naive enough to think bathhouse style promiscuous behavior doesn’t warrant a public health response, then there is no sense discussing it further.”</p>
<p>It does, and I think Secretary Rice’s response was the proper one.</p>
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<p>LOL! Good one, leanid. Try to work this bidet angle into PSAT threads, or “My kid is lonely at State U” threads.</p>